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We know exactly what you're talking about! Our children are the only ones we have shared our plan to full-time with, two are supportive and two are not. So sad when you can't share your dreams with people close to you for fear of being shunned or treated as though you have the plague. Lol
We had to go through this once before. We lived in South Carolina for 42 years and we absolutely hated living there, it's where we were born and raised and all of our family lives there too. Every time we mentioned moving or how much we loved the Southwest/Northwest parts of the USA we were told how stupid the idea of moving was or we were made to feel guilty for wanting to move. My mother-in-law actually accused me of hating her (which I don't, I think she is awesome) and said I just wanted to get away from her. Sad thing is we did start to resent many of our relatives, neighbors, friends, etc. because they were not supporting our dreams of moving and starting over. Finally we had enough and we sold our business, house, had a big auction, and moved 2100 miles away and our only regret is that we waited so long to do it. My family hasn't talked to me in 8 years but my wife's family has been great, some have even been out to visit us.
We haven't shared our plan to full-time with any extended family or close friends, neighbors, etc. because we don't want to go through the same ridicule and guilt trips. Why be "normal" to make everyone else happy? They look at you like you have lost your mind or you are from Mars because you want something different than the norm but are they really just jealous because you are willing to step out of your comfort zone?? I don't get it, when my children have a wild idea/plan I support them whether it backfires or works out perfectly. A life without regret is a good life IMO.
Don't let the fact that you need to keep your plans secret make you feel like your decision to full-time is wrong. Instead, feel sorry for those too close minded to realize their dreams and accept and support yours.
-- Edited by azrving on Thursday 21st of November 2013 11:25:53 AM
Because we live in a VERY small town and need to keep our jobs intact until all of our ducks are in a row, Lee and I have told very few people about our plans. Our kids were told first, then our parents (that was interesting), and finally a very few close friends that we could trust to keep it to ourselves. It's been difficult, because by nature I am extremely open about my life, but after much serious discussion it is absolutely necessary to ensure that in Lee's case in particular the small non-profit he works for does not jump the gun and decide to replace him early. One side effect of the secrecy was this odd feeling that we were doing somethig wrong. It was really getting to us both and that's when we sat our parents down and told them. They were a bit worried, but overall pretty supportive, mainly concerned that we wouldn't get into financial trouble and how they would get to see us if we were moving around all the time. The kids were 100% supportive which was huge and really gave us the courage to go forward. We have been following the rules for the last 25 years...get married, buy a house, raise your kids...so this is really getting out of line which frankly for us is long overdue :) Anyways, getting off track a bit. Have other folks had to keep the secret? How is this effecting you emotionally?
After reading all the comments I think I'm from another planet. In my case my plan for fulltiming has never been a secret. I've been talking about this dream for more than 10 years so when I will hit the road in or before sept 2015, there won't be any surprise. My mother allways told me that children are only lent to you therefore I've raised my two boys and now it is their turn to live their own life. You don't know what is going to happend tomorrow, I got married in 1984, the year after my wife lost her mother at the age of 46, ten months after I lost my father. For some of us time is limited in my case I d'ont know how much time left but I know there is less in front than there is behind me.
Like you Trace we have followed the rules in life, on top of those rules, I devoted myself for others, paramedic 5 years and 25 in the police force. I don't owe anything to anyone. When I talk about fulltiming and the person in front of me is negative about it, I simply say; sorry but I don't intend to look dandelion to grow in the backyard. Anyway to answer your question about (How is this effecting you emotionally?) my answer is short and sweet like Elvis Presley's song (I did it my way). Life is a journey not a destination, if your desire is to hit the road and "live" instead of "existing" it is not of anybody's business. I might sound rough but I don't care and really pay attention to what people could or might think about my decision.
I understand and agree with you to keep your plan a secret for your jobs, beside that you don't need to keep your plan a secret, Remember it is your life nobody else.
Jean
-- Edited by French Bikers on Thursday 21st of November 2013 06:46:35 PM
We kept the secert for about 2 months. Then several family members were really digging deep so we just laid it out to them. Some still don't like it, but thats their problem. I didn't tell my work until I gave my 2 weeks notice. It was funny listening to the gossip about how I was going to another company, how could we afford to travel, had we won a lottery and not told anybody, and the biggie.... was I sick/have an illness..... (yea I did, I was sick of WORKING for them).!
We had to keep our FT plans secret for about 7 months because of wife's job. It got a little nerve racking because she worked about 3 miles from our house and it got really interesting when the "For Sale" sign went up on the front lawn.
It sort of felt like we had to live two lives, but we got through it and pulled it off successfully. If we were questioned about the house sale, we were going to say that we were planning on downsizing, and that wasn't a lie. The wife gave her 30 days notice once we had a signed contract on the house.
No matter what, you will make it through, just don't feel guilty about it. It's your life and many people would love to do what you're going to do, but don't have the guts or strong desire to make the leap.
Best Regards!
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We are right there with you Trace! We have told a handful of people--husband's family and a few close friends--however, beyond that, have told no one. I think that's why I find myself gravitating to this forum as I can research and learn, and have a common bond with many who understand.
We might tell my family over Christmas, IF timing seems right but want to ensure Other than that, we will continue to keep a secret as if it gets out, it could not be ideal as there are certain milestones that we have mapped out. It will be REALLY weird when we put the house on the market and then not talk about it. Best of luck keeping it on the down low. It's much more fun being able to talk about it!!!
I agree with you all.....I have told some close friends about wanting to full-time and a few understand, most don't. I haven't told any of my family. They are very traditional and wouldn't understand.
We kept it a secret from everyone but family. We sold the house, bought the trailer, moved into it and THEN I walked into work and gave my notice. My bosses said " so you're going to sell your house?" They had a hard time understanding that it was ALL DONE.
I did give 6 weeks notice though. Our realtor had said with the market being as bad as it was in 09, we could lose the buyer the day of closing. We did lose one buyer and had to start over.
It was pretty stressful, especially running every night to move some stuff into storage and then acting lime you're not exhausted the next day.
Awww, my heart is with you family members who have/had to keep it secret! We were retired so we didn't have to worry about protecting our cash flow. We think all of our kids & sibs & friends are supportive but if they're not they are not telling us to our faces 😄.
Jodie is right, don't feel guilty. I've posted this on another thread on here on a different subject but based upon some posts on here I think it fits.
THE STORY OF THE CRAB BUCKET
One time a man was walking along the beach and say another man fishing in the surf with a bait bucket beside him. As he drew closer, he saw that the bait bucket had no lid and had live crabs inside. "Why don't you cover your bait bucket so the crabs won't escape?", he said. "You don't understand.", the man replied, "If there is one crab in the bucket it would surely crawl out very quickly. However, when there are many crabs in the bucket, if one tries to crawl up the side, the others grab hold of it and pull it back down so that it will share the same fate as the rest of them."
So it is with people. If one tries to do something different, get better grades, improve herself, escape her environment, or dream big dreams, other people will try to drag her back down to share their fate.
Moral of the story: Ignore the crabs. Charge ahead and do what is right for you. It may not be easy and you may not succeed as much as you like, but you will NEVER share the same fate as those never try.
Another piece of advice I heard this week relating to business but fits here. Get yourself some trusted advisors, not naysayers to help you implement your plan. In my mind, that's what this website and forum is all about, trusted advisors! Use your own judgement and take just the advice that works for you!
Sherry
-- Edited by WestWardHo on Saturday 23rd of November 2013 12:44:04 PM
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Life is all about decisions, this is just one more which I think is a pretty FANTASTIC decision. If others disagree, to heck with them! I'm going to enjoy life! I think a lot of people would choose this life IF they had the courage to take the leap.
I did have one friend say, "Can you not decide what you want to do?" My reply, "I don't want to live in a rut." Friend, "You think I'm in a rut?" - I just shrugged my shoulders ... if the shoe fits!
We are very fortunate that Bill's employer knows our plans and they will work together to be sure his replacement is trained and ready to step in when the house closes escrow . They're supportive although probably already tired of hearing about all the fun he's going to have while they will be staying on the job for years to come. We would be gone now if not waiting for the youngest to graduate high school - and 2015 seems like a very long time!
Everyone we have told has been supportive although there are a few who are quietly taking a "sure, we'll wait and see how long THAT lasts" attitude about it. Family and long-time friends expect us to do something weird (we usually oblige them) so there was no surprise from them.
We try not to talk about it like it's the only option out there and we certainly don't have it all figured out. It is not something that works for everyone and we understand folks' cynicism about alternative lifestyles.
I have to admit I might find some mystery enticing......it would certainly lend itself to less unsolicited advice .
Protecting your income until you can give your notice is important for your future so I wouldn't feel guilty about making that a priority. The good news is that when you make the move you're leaving behind those you couldn't trust with your dreams. Even better than unloading those boxes of magazines and ornaments you also won't need .
We have all of you beat. Jo Ann and I kept the secret from each other for more than 25 years! Actually, it wasn't so much keeping a secret as just not even talking about it until we were looking at retirement. Then one of us mentioned the idea of full-timing and it turned out that we both had thought about it but somehow in raising three kids and working we just never mentioned it to the other one. Anyway, we didn't keep it a complete secret, but we didn't really talk about it until we had decided. The kids were quite supportive, and by that time all four of our parents were gone. People at school all said that they wished they could do what we're going to do.
Now that I'm retired we're getting the coach ready to move into, and the house ready to sell. The plan is to put the place up for sale in February.
Since Sherry shared her story again, and it is a good one when considering relationships, I'll also toss in a little comment. The following is something I wrote for my blog and is the source of the name of my blog.
“Pioneers Take the Arrows”
Oh, wait. I should be upbeat and taking arrows doesn’t sound like an upbeat thing to say.
So, let me amend that statement.
It was courage and vision that led the pioneers to leave behind a comfortable, settled life and trek West to begin a new life in a new place. Many of those from the East that went West found a strength within themselves that they didn’t see while they were in their old life. Instead of being one of those that just kind of went along with the others in the old life, they became leaders and visionaries in their new lives.
The sentiments of that last paragraph come from a favorite author, Louis L’Amour, in many of his books. So, I can’t really say that it is an original thought from me. However, what he said is truthful.
Welcome to being a pioneer. Look ahead and ignore the “barking dogs” that give you negative opinions and comments. Louis L’Amour also spoke of the barking dogs.
In some of his stories, it was usually a father or older man telling a young boy how it was that when the Westward bound Conestoga wagons rolled through towns, the dogs came out to bark at them. His character then told the young listener that the barking didn’t stop the wagons from going on to their destinations.
Following the advice of the Louis L’Amour characters, may we all forge ahead with our plans, after carefully considering all consequences and leave the “barkers” behind.
Terry
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I understand about feeling like you are doing something wrong, I too am waiting to give notice. I think my boss is concerned though. We sold the house, moved into a motorhome and my husband is officially retired January 15, 2014. I am going to give him my notice in the next week or so. All family and friends are very supportive and wish they too could go full timing. Just keep your eye on the ball...
I'm with "French Bikers"! Although I totally understand if your secrecy is to protect your job, pursuing a dream isn't crazy. If you can actually talk thru your goals and objectives with family, co-workers and friends it's more encouraging than discouraging, at least in our case. I'm two years away from hitting the road, but my family (kids, sisters, in-laws) co-workers and friends at church all know our RV plans and things we want to accomplish while RVing. Everyone we've discussed our plans with are encouraging and, although RVing may not run in their blood, they are "excited" for us and the ability to travel and plug into Habitat and other volunteer activities.
Been fulltiming since early 2010. My older daughter was not thrilled but never gave us a hard time. Mostly it was because she would have liked us around to spend time with her own daughters. Not by fault she waited until 40 and 43 to have her kids! We do get back often to visit as we miss them bunches.
Only person who was really negative was my ex-husbands wife. She said she had a friend who fulltimed for a year and hated it. Therefore, we would hate this lifestyle. I am thinking, I was married to her husband and hated THAT lifestyle!
Lee and I appreciate the incredibly thoughtful responses. The crab story in particular really spoke to us :). Over the years, I have been on different forums for different things but I have never seen a group like this. You guys are absolutely the best!!!!
We have not said anything to Rick's bosses that he plans to retire as soon as the farm sells, but we have told a few people. They are mostly supportive with a few envious of us. The only people who have said they have reservations about supporting us are my mother and her current husband. Not because they don't want us to do it, but they are very materialistic and they wonder how we will support ourselves. They think that if you don't have everything the Jones have you are not making it, but then they make an Upper middle class income and spend A LOT. So we are just ignoring them. We have been in a rut for 10 years and we want fun and adventure and there may be months that we have to boondock a lot to make it, but we will. Then if we want to come off the road later we have put enough away for a nice condo somewhere. I am not going to be a Jones anymore.
I am so sorry for those of you who have to "hide" this dream. Dreams are the very things that keep us moving forward in life. They are only lost when we loose sight of them. My husband and I have spend the last 25 years (police officer & nurse) watching the effects of illness, fate and bad choices on people's lives. We have seen and heard of countless people struck down in the "prime of their life" still waiting to live their dreams. Not us! We will not settle for a life not lived! I wish I could say that there were no naysayers, but most of those we tell understand that this is a choice for us that will fulfill a lifelong desire to see the country from the ground. They are for the most part, excited for us, and I think for many jealous. For those who aren't supportive, I just think maybe someday our courage will inspire them to "live their dream" too. Life's too short to waste even a second. So every day I continue planning, as we look forward to the day in the very near future that we can hit the road for our next adventure! I hope you all are their to greet us!
Even those who would tell you not to do something have a bucket list. "I wish I had done that" means that they didn't have the courage to empty it. Full timing is a way of life that can be reversed when the times comes. But wishing that you had done it, and not, cannot be reversed.
It has been said that those who care about you will be the first to tell you that you can't do something. Therefore, I'd be more concerned if no one made any attempt to talk me out of it. Sorta like "Man, am I glad that they are gone."
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I like that saying, (Remembering most things in life: Those who say it can't be done are often run over by people getting it done.) Just sent that to my friend, so cool. Get-er-done and keep on trucking!!!!
Lonney
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We too have had to keep quiet about our plans on the work front but we have shared all our dreams with our family and a few friends. My sons are all very supportive and even a bit jealous and we have had just one or two negative comments from family but they still support us. The few friends we have shared our dreams with are also very supportive, we even met another couple in our small group who is moving into living the dream as well!
I first felt a bit deceptive about not telling anyone at work but it is just work, I work to live not live to work and just as I am a resource for their success they have been a resource for my success to live the dream!!