A couple of days ago we had a fire in the Suburban Hot Water Heater in our 2012 NH ! I was at my workamping position and Anne was just getting ready to leave for some errands when she heard some odd cracking/popping noise from under the kitchen sink area (location of water heater). When she looked over she thought she saw smoke seeping out and when she opened the doors the whole coach filled with that acrid smell of an electrical fire. Fast thinking, she grabbed the fire extinguisher and ran next door to our neighbor who ran over to the exterior location and saw flames and smoke shooting out. He was able to pull the cover and put the fire out in short order. Had Anne left just a few moments earlier this disaster could have had a much more disastrous outcome. Fire in an RV is a really scary, dangerous situation!!!
The fire originated behind the plastic cover where the T-Stat/high limit switches are located. All the wiring in there was completely burned as was the cover. I contacted Suburban and not surprising they said they have no history or reported fires in that unit. The rep didn't even ask if everyone or everything was okay.
While we're not happy with having to buy a new heater we're thrilled that that's all we have to deal with.
My question: Do you leave your hot water on "all the time" or do you turn it off in the non use hours?
Be safe out there. Take a few minutes to contemplate what you would do in a fire emergency and reflect on all that you would have to go through to recover from that type of disaster. MAKE A PLAN AND PUT IT INTO PRACTICE.
The Bear II said
09:58 AM Feb 12, 2016
Very Scary Glad it wasn't as bad as it could have been.
Our Suburban is twenty years old. We use it mostly on electric and leave it on while setup in a RV spot. Now I'm going to rethink how we use it.
BiggarView said
10:00 AM Feb 12, 2016
Whew, glad it wasn't worse. Thanks for sharing and we'll heed all recommendations.
igotjam said
10:10 AM Feb 12, 2016
We almost always use our water heater on electric and turn it off when not in use. We have once or twice forgotten to turn it off when out....always concerned when we realize our mistake. Glad your situation was better than it could have been.
Lucky Mike said
10:14 AM Feb 12, 2016
My first question would be after asking that you are alright and glad it was caught.......were you operating on 12 volts/Propane or using 110/electric hot water........the brand of the heater is not as important as the method..... this would help others understand what to look for and maintain to prevent it from happening
Team Murc said
10:22 AM Feb 12, 2016
Lucky Mike,
Great point, guess I should have included more details.
We are parked on site for three months. We have been here since December 2 2015. We are on 50 AMP service and were using electric cycle at the time of the fire. We do leave our system "on at all times" unless we are planning to be away for more than a day then we will turn it off upon our return. No previous problems. I am also concerned that the breaker for the heater NEVER tripped.
-- Edited by Team Murc on Friday 12th of February 2016 10:23:36 AM
Lucky Mike said
02:05 PM Feb 12, 2016
that what I was thinking.......I've seen it happen several times with the 110 element on.....the high limit T-stat is dislodged from the surfacemount and puts the wires into an overheat like a toaster grabbing the ground thru- the hose simuliar to a hot skin condition on the coach....the wires then act like a toaster and catch.....electricity like water will flow in the weakest and easiest path .......so the breaker does not see it..the breaker only sees overload or excessive power draw there was no back up of power because the water in the tank became part of the loop and carried it away from the coach.........I think you would find that the element was not wired into the GFI circuit correctly or at all
-- Edited by Lucky Mike on Friday 12th of February 2016 02:08:02 PM
John U said
03:43 PM Feb 12, 2016
Team Murc,
For your own safety's sake I would also replace that breaker. What is fifteen bucks apx versus another possible fire?
John
ticat900 said
12:03 PM Feb 14, 2016
John U wrote:
Team Murc,
For your own safety's sake I would also replace that breaker. What is fifteen bucks apx versus another possible fire?
John
its not the breaker. breaker only pops when draw overcomes the breaker rating.thats why electrical fires will and can and do happen. wires arch and cause a fire
but unless it archs to ground, breaker wont trip. an example of what iam saying try this one day have a load on a switch/plug and take the black wire off and touch the
connections manually with the black wire and see the spark. Keep doing this and the breaker wont blow but if in a flammable material area it could cause a fire to start
kb0zke said
08:46 PM Feb 15, 2016
I'm seeing more and more arc fault breakers in boxes. I should have looked in some of the coaches at the Houston RV show this past weekend, but didn't think of it (and the coaches were pretty crowded anyway). I wonder if that would help in a situation like this. Our water heater is propane-only, and I think is original 1993. I'm thinking about replacing it with an electric-gas model. I'll ask at Foretravel when I'm there in a month.
cherylbrv said
01:05 PM Feb 22, 2016
I have electric/propane and it never occurred to me that I needed to turn it off. How long does the water stay hot in it, and how long does it take to heat up again? (I have no clue what kind of heater or the capacity, so I'm sure it will be difficult to answer that question, unless you have a similar make/model -- Terry??)
Glenn West said
01:44 PM Feb 22, 2016
We stay in spot months at a time due to my work schedule. We use gas. It heats up so much quicker.
rodeojoe said
08:26 PM Feb 22, 2016
Scary, and I am thankful that it wasn't much worse. Do most people have any type of fire alarms in their RV set up?
bjoyce said
09:21 AM Feb 23, 2016
cherylbrv wrote:
I have electric/propane and it never occurred to me that I needed to turn it off. How long does the water stay hot in it, and how long does it take to heat up again? (I have no clue what kind of heater or the capacity, so I'm sure it will be difficult to answer that question, unless you have a similar make/model -- Terry??)
My experience with both Atwood and Suburban 10 gallon hot water heaters is 2-1/2 to 3 hours on electric to heat up and around 30 to 45 minutes on propane to heat up.
Howard said
10:52 AM Feb 23, 2016
When we had our Atwood 12-gallon water heater, we always left our water heater turned off until we needed to heat water. Linda was paranoid about having a heat source turned on when it wasn't needed, and based on your experience, perhaps that paranoia was founded.
Of course, we now have the Truma AquaGo instant water heater which we leave on the ECO mode. It's propane only and, in that mode, it only fires when we turn on the hot water.
Cheryl, when we had our Atwood 12-gallon, it took about 40 minutes to heat up on electric and 20 - 30 minutes on propane. In ours, the water stayed hot for at least an hour or two, longer depending on the outside temperature.
rodeojoe, smoke detectors, propane leak detectors, carbon monoxide detectors, fire exit windows, and at least one fire extinguisher are required in all RVs. I would recommend at least two smoke detectors and multiple fire extinguishers (bedroom, kitchen, outside compartments, tow vehicle or towed vehicle). Some even install aftermarket fire suppression systems in engine compartments of motorhomes and behind their propane/electric refrigerators.
Neil and Connie said
11:59 AM Feb 23, 2016
Ours is pretty much always on unless we're traveling or boondocking. We do run it on electric unless we're boondocking or the groundwater supply temp is really low…then we have to turn the gas on to have hot water.
Neil and Connie said
12:01 PM Feb 23, 2016
cherylbrv wrote:
I have electric/propane and it never occurred to me that I needed to turn it off. How long does the water stay hot in it, and how long does it take to heat up again? (I have no clue what kind of heater or the capacity, so I'm sure it will be difficult to answer that question, unless you have a similar make/model -- Terry??)
Stays warm for probably 12-24 hours depending on outside temperature and takes maybe 20 minutes to warm back up.
Terry and Jo said
09:21 PM Feb 23, 2016
cherylbrv wrote:
I have electric/propane and it never occurred to me that I needed to turn it off. How long does the water stay hot in it, and how long does it take to heat up again? (I have no clue what kind of heater or the capacity, so I'm sure it will be difficult to answer that question, unless you have a similar make/model -- Terry??)
Cheryl,
I just looked at a copy of the 2008 DRV brochure and according to it, your DRV has a Suburban 12 gallon hot water heater. In our case, we tend to use the electric side of our hot water heater and have been for almost 5 years while living full time in our DRV. About the only time that I've turned off the heater is when we know we will be gone from our RV for more than a day or two.
I may be wrong in my philosophy, but I don't care to keep turning off the hot water heater so much. After all, there is a tendency for electrical components to "go out" right after a surge of electricity from turning on a switch. As an example, in our Mobile Suites, we finally had one of the little lights burn out that are in either the bathroom or as the step light at the stairs into the bedroom/bathroom area. We've left those lights on 24/7, 365 days a year since we moved into it in April or May of 2011.
A couple of days ago we had a fire in the Suburban Hot Water Heater in our 2012 NH ! I was at my workamping position and Anne was just getting ready to leave for some errands when she heard some odd cracking/popping noise from under the kitchen sink area (location of water heater). When she looked over she thought she saw smoke seeping out and when she opened the doors the whole coach filled with that acrid smell of an electrical fire. Fast thinking, she grabbed the fire extinguisher and ran next door to our neighbor who ran over to the exterior location and saw flames and smoke shooting out. He was able to pull the cover and put the fire out in short order. Had Anne left just a few moments earlier this disaster could have had a much more disastrous outcome. Fire in an RV is a really scary, dangerous situation!!!
The fire originated behind the plastic cover where the T-Stat/high limit switches are located. All the wiring in there was completely burned as was the cover. I contacted Suburban and not surprising they said they have no history or reported fires in that unit. The rep didn't even ask if everyone or everything was okay.
While we're not happy with having to buy a new heater we're thrilled that that's all we have to deal with.
My question: Do you leave your hot water on "all the time" or do you turn it off in the non use hours?
Be safe out there. Take a few minutes to contemplate what you would do in a fire emergency and reflect on all that you would have to go through to recover from that type of disaster. MAKE A PLAN AND PUT IT INTO PRACTICE.
Our Suburban is twenty years old. We use it mostly on electric and leave it on while setup in a RV spot. Now I'm going to rethink how we use it.
Whew, glad it wasn't worse. Thanks for sharing and we'll heed all recommendations.
Lucky Mike,
Great point, guess I should have included more details.
We are parked on site for three months. We have been here since December 2 2015. We are on 50 AMP service and were using electric cycle at the time of the fire. We do leave our system "on at all times" unless we are planning to be away for more than a day then we will turn it off upon our return. No previous problems. I am also concerned that the breaker for the heater NEVER tripped.
-- Edited by Team Murc on Friday 12th of February 2016 10:23:36 AM
that what I was thinking.......I've seen it happen several times with the 110 element on.....the high limit T-stat is dislodged from the surfacemount and puts the wires into an overheat like a toaster grabbing the ground thru- the hose simuliar to a hot skin condition on the coach....the wires then act like a toaster and catch.....electricity like water will flow in the weakest and easiest path .......so the breaker does not see it..the breaker only sees overload or excessive power draw there was no back up of power because the water in the tank became part of the loop and carried it away from the coach.........I think you would find that the element was not wired into the GFI circuit correctly or at all
-- Edited by Lucky Mike on Friday 12th of February 2016 02:08:02 PM
For your own safety's sake I would also replace that breaker. What is fifteen bucks apx versus another possible fire?
John
its not the breaker. breaker only pops when draw overcomes the breaker rating.thats why electrical fires will and can and do happen. wires arch and cause a fire
but unless it archs to ground, breaker wont trip. an example of what iam saying try this one day have a load on a switch/plug and take the black wire off and touch the
connections manually with the black wire and see the spark. Keep doing this and the breaker wont blow but if in a flammable material area it could cause a fire to start
My experience with both Atwood and Suburban 10 gallon hot water heaters is 2-1/2 to 3 hours on electric to heat up and around 30 to 45 minutes on propane to heat up.
When we had our Atwood 12-gallon water heater, we always left our water heater turned off until we needed to heat water. Linda was paranoid about having a heat source turned on when it wasn't needed, and based on your experience, perhaps that paranoia was founded.
Of course, we now have the Truma AquaGo instant water heater which we leave on the ECO mode. It's propane only and, in that mode, it only fires when we turn on the hot water.
Cheryl, when we had our Atwood 12-gallon, it took about 40 minutes to heat up on electric and 20 - 30 minutes on propane. In ours, the water stayed hot for at least an hour or two, longer depending on the outside temperature.
rodeojoe, smoke detectors, propane leak detectors, carbon monoxide detectors, fire exit windows, and at least one fire extinguisher are required in all RVs. I would recommend at least two smoke detectors and multiple fire extinguishers (bedroom, kitchen, outside compartments, tow vehicle or towed vehicle). Some even install aftermarket fire suppression systems in engine compartments of motorhomes and behind their propane/electric refrigerators.
Ours is pretty much always on unless we're traveling or boondocking. We do run it on electric unless we're boondocking or the groundwater supply temp is really low…then we have to turn the gas on to have hot water.
Stays warm for probably 12-24 hours depending on outside temperature and takes maybe 20 minutes to warm back up.
Cheryl,
I just looked at a copy of the 2008 DRV brochure and according to it, your DRV has a Suburban 12 gallon hot water heater. In our case, we tend to use the electric side of our hot water heater and have been for almost 5 years while living full time in our DRV. About the only time that I've turned off the heater is when we know we will be gone from our RV for more than a day or two.
I may be wrong in my philosophy, but I don't care to keep turning off the hot water heater so much. After all, there is a tendency for electrical components to "go out" right after a surge of electricity from turning on a switch. As an example, in our Mobile Suites, we finally had one of the little lights burn out that are in either the bathroom or as the step light at the stairs into the bedroom/bathroom area. We've left those lights on 24/7, 365 days a year since we moved into it in April or May of 2011.
Terry