My interior lights work, water pump works...everything seems to be in order EXCEPT....the residential refrig wont turn on and the microwave/convection oven's digital display is dead as well.... appears there is no "juice" coming in from either invertor or when plugged in to electric at our storage.
Gene (not a handyman) and I (also not handy) have looked in the area where all the fuses are but nothing is labeled micro or refridgerator. The "IN USE" / "STORE" switch is in the IN USE and the light is on.
We just had the Blue ox tow bar installed on Friday and I am assuming they had to do some wiring. Anyone have any suggestions as to what we can check to see if they turned something OFF which would result in no power.
We will call them first thing in the AM but thought maybe someone has an idea.
2014 Forest RIver Berkshire Class A
THanks as always,
Marilyn & Gene
PIEERE said
02:02 PM Jul 13, 2014
Did you flip all the breakers to off then on outside then inside? Check with electric appliance at source?
Lucky Mike said
02:40 PM Jul 13, 2014
check and reset ALL GFI Breakers and Outlets.......
Trabuco said
03:36 PM Jul 13, 2014
Sounds like a GFI to me as well
EggerMar said
05:34 PM Jul 13, 2014
OK...we took a trip back out to the RV and while looking for the GFI plugs I noticed a red light on what I believe is the inverter panel. Power Light was off. Charge light was off. Inverter light was off. Fault light was on and red. Error message on screen says High Volts AC DC 12.3v - 7A
Looked up trouble shooting in the inverter manual. Said to unplug outside electrical connection for 15 min. and then plug back in. Sure enough the microwave and fridge are now back up and running.
Now the panel reads Absorb Charging DC 14.0v + 32A No lights are currently lite on the panel.
Not sure what it all means but I assume that's a good thing. If I knew how to upload pictures I would show you the panel.
When am I supposed to turn on the inverter manually as there is a button for that option. There is also a button ON/OFF for charger. When would I have this one on?
Here's a list of all the buttons:
Charger - has an on/off option Inverter - has an on/off option Shore AGS Meter Setup Tech
This is like a foreign language to me....lol...guess I will eventually learn it all.... Thanks to all for your continued support.
Marilyn & Gene
-- Edited by EggerMar on Sunday 13th of July 2014 05:35:00 PM
Barbaraok said
07:59 PM Jul 13, 2014
First, what type of an inverter do you have. That will help us to get information.
You need to differentiate between the 12 v side (like your lights, water pump) and 120 v side, (residential refrigerator, microwave, the air conditioning, and some lights). In addition your 120 v side has 2 splits, those who run off the inverter and those that don't. Sounds like the frig and microwave run off the inverter (also probably the TV and some lights). You should have a a breaker on your panel that is 30 amp and it controls the power to a sub panel where you will find the breakers for the microwave, TV, residential refrigerator, etc. If the breakers on your panel aren't label, now is as good a time as any to slowly to go through and see what each one controls.
Sounds like it got hot around the inverter and it went into fault mode. We learned that could happen in very hot weather if we didn't get a fan running in the bed room when we first plugged in if the heat was about 100 or more. Shutting down for a few minutes, letting things cool off, usually does the trick. After switching on again, it defaults to charging the battery bank back up. Not sure what you mean by no lights on the panel.
Our panel default is set with the inverter in charging mode and unless we need the inverter for some reason, it is never turned on.
Barb
bjoyce said
10:46 PM Jul 13, 2014
Sounds like a Magnum inverter/charger, since those are the same buttons mine has. The website is http://magnumenergy.com/. It sounds like you have the manuals but the latest are on the website as .pdf downloads.
OK...we took a trip back out to the RV and while looking for the GFI plugs I noticed a red light on what I believe is the inverter panel. Power Light was off. Charge light was off. Inverter light was off. Fault light was on and red. Error message on screen says High Volts AC DC 12.3v - 7A
Looked up trouble shooting in the inverter manual. Said to unplug outside electrical connection for 15 min. and then plug back in. Sure enough the microwave and fridge are now back up and running.
Now the panel reads Absorb Charging DC 14.0v + 32A No lights are currently lite on the panel.
Not sure what it all means but I assume that's a good thing. If I knew how to upload pictures I would show you the panel.
When am I supposed to turn on the inverter manually as there is a button for that option. There is also a button ON/OFF for charger. When would I have this one on?
Here's a list of all the buttons:
Charger - has an on/off option Inverter - has an on/off option Shore AGS Meter Setup Tech
This is like a foreign language to me....lol...guess I will eventually learn it all.... Thanks to all for your continued support.
Marilyn & Gene
-- Edited by EggerMar on Sunday 13th of July 2014 05:35:00 PM
Well, this sounds like to me like you have a Magnum Inverter with the ME RC-50 remote control panel. That's the one we have and we have the same buttons and options.
Charger should be on all the time. You can shut it off manually but I can't think of a reason to do so.
Inverter on/off is to turn the inverter into standby mode. You need this when not hooked up to shore power if you want to run any 110V appliances (only run those your battery bank and the inverter can support). When drycamping, we mostly turn the inverter only on when we want to run some 110V and turn it off again after that, because the inverter standby consumes about 2-3 amps.
The other buttons are 'shore' (don't remember right now what it was, never used it), 'AGS', that is automatic generator start, so only relevant, if you have a generator wired to the charger/inverter, 'Meter', that is to read all possible numbers the remote provides, 'Setup', that is where you can 'program' your inverter to the specs of your battery bank, i.e. max amps, duration of charge stages, voltage while charging in those different stages, 'Tech', don't remember, I think it was for some special functions I never used.
You should have a small manual for the remote control, which is easy to read and follow, where all these buttons, especially the 'Setup' is explained in detail.
By the way, your panel reading of 14.0V in the absorb charging stage may or may not be the right voltage for your batteries to be charged properly. Check the specs of your battery manufacturer and adjust the charge voltage accordingly (using the 'Setup' options on the remote control).
If you don't have a manual for that remote control and it is a Magnum RC-50 I can help you navigate through the remote menu.
Bernd
Jack Mayer said
07:46 AM Jul 14, 2014
You can download the manuals from the Magnum website. I recommend that you do so and spend some time looking them over. They explain things reasonably well. You may have to read it several times and fool with things to get comfortable with it, but it is necessary to understand the operation of the inverter/charger and how your electrical system functions. You also need to check the settings to make SURE they are correct. It is RARE that they are correct from the manufacturer.
bjoyce said
09:39 AM Jul 14, 2014
The "Shore" setting is how many 120 volt amps the inverter/charger should reserve for itself. Unless your inverter/charger is wired into everything, air conditioners included, this is not the same as how many amps you are plugged in to. I set it to 15 amps when we were on 30 amp service, since the air conditioner needs the other 15 amps. If you somehow have a battery drain, maybe from a power outage, the Magnum charger will pop the shore power breaker if the Shore setting is too high. It is really critical when hooked up to a house 15 amp circuit, I normally set it to 10 in those situations but have set it to 5 when I learned the 15 amp circuit was shared. If you have a hybrid Magnum inverter, this is a very important setting, it controls when the inverter load support kicks in. We have a hybrid. It allows us to run the microwave or other high amp appliances while hooked to 15 amp.
We do turn off the charger when on metered electric and have good solar charging from our solar panels. It won't save that much electricity, it might buy me lunch once a month, but it makes me feel better that my solar charging system is doing something.
With a residential fridge you will most likely leave the inverter on all the time. I would not turn it off without testing with remote thermometers in both the freezer and refrigerator sections. You can't go from others experience here, since some can go 8 hours without power, while others can only go 3 hours.
EggerMar said
09:21 PM Jul 14, 2014
Went back out to the Motorhome today...fridge and micro still on while plugged into the outlet at the RV storage.
We started up the coach.... heres the issue: once we unplug the cord everything turns off....appliances are not running off the engine. Inverter is in the off position on the panel. Should we have the inverter button ON while driving? I thought it was only supposed to be on if, for instance, we don't have electricity from the outside and the engine isn't on or we don't have the generator on....like if we are traveling and need to go into the store....then we would turn the inverter on while inside and turn it off again once we are back on the road. Is this correct?
Thanks
Marilyn & Gene
bjoyce said
01:04 AM Jul 15, 2014
If you want power to the fridge when not on shore power, the inverter has to be on. It has an internal transfer switch and will switch to inverting when the power goes away, like when you unplug the shore power.
As I said above, "With a residential fridge you will most likely leave the inverter on all the time". Without electric power, the fridge will warm up internally and all your food will spoil. When the motorhome engine is running the batteries are being charged by your engine alternator.
EggerMar said
09:35 PM Jul 15, 2014
THANKS TO ALL -
Verified today that the inverter should always stay on . They said we "Could" turn it off while plugged in but better to leave it on just in case there should be some kind of outage..
That indeed was our problem...we had it turned off... Looking forward to our first official trip this upcoming weekend in the new RV.
Again...thanks to all for your continued support
Marilyn & Gene
-- Edited by EggerMar on Tuesday 15th of July 2014 09:36:17 PM
Trabuco said
09:49 PM Jul 15, 2014
Nothing better than a cheap fix. This is one of things you won't forget!
Ok all you experts out there -
My interior lights work, water pump works...everything seems to be in order EXCEPT....the residential refrig wont turn on and the microwave/convection oven's digital display is dead as well.... appears there is no "juice" coming in from either invertor or when plugged in to electric at our storage.
Gene (not a handyman) and I (also not handy) have looked in the area where all the fuses are but nothing is labeled micro or refridgerator. The "IN USE" / "STORE" switch is in the IN USE and the light is on.
We just had the Blue ox tow bar installed on Friday and I am assuming they had to do some wiring. Anyone have any suggestions as to what we can check to see if they turned something OFF which would result in no power.
We will call them first thing in the AM but thought maybe someone has an idea.
2014 Forest RIver Berkshire Class A
THanks as always,
Marilyn & Gene
OK...we took a trip back out to the RV and while looking for the GFI plugs I noticed a red light on what I believe is the inverter panel. Power Light was off. Charge light was off. Inverter light was off. Fault light was on and red. Error message on screen says High Volts AC DC 12.3v - 7A
Looked up trouble shooting in the inverter manual. Said to unplug outside electrical connection for 15 min. and then plug back in. Sure enough the microwave and fridge are now back up and running.
Now the panel reads Absorb Charging DC 14.0v + 32A No lights are currently lite on the panel.
Not sure what it all means but I assume that's a good thing. If I knew how to upload pictures I would show you the panel.
When am I supposed to turn on the inverter manually as there is a button for that option. There is also a button ON/OFF for charger. When would I have this one on?
Here's a list of all the buttons:
Charger - has an on/off option
Inverter - has an on/off option
Shore
AGS
Meter
Setup
Tech
This is like a foreign language to me....lol...guess I will eventually learn it all.... Thanks to all for your continued support.
Marilyn & Gene
-- Edited by EggerMar on Sunday 13th of July 2014 05:35:00 PM
You need to differentiate between the 12 v side (like your lights, water pump) and 120 v side, (residential refrigerator, microwave, the air conditioning, and some lights). In addition your 120 v side has 2 splits, those who run off the inverter and those that don't. Sounds like the frig and microwave run off the inverter (also probably the TV and some lights). You should have a a breaker on your panel that is 30 amp and it controls the power to a sub panel where you will find the breakers for the microwave, TV, residential refrigerator, etc. If the breakers on your panel aren't label, now is as good a time as any to slowly to go through and see what each one controls.
Sounds like it got hot around the inverter and it went into fault mode. We learned that could happen in very hot weather if we didn't get a fan running in the bed room when we first plugged in if the heat was about 100 or more. Shutting down for a few minutes, letting things cool off, usually does the trick. After switching on again, it defaults to charging the battery bank back up. Not sure what you mean by no lights on the panel.
Our panel default is set with the inverter in charging mode and unless we need the inverter for some reason, it is never turned on.
Barb
Sounds like a Magnum inverter/charger, since those are the same buttons mine has. The website is http://magnumenergy.com/. It sounds like you have the manuals but the latest are on the website as .pdf downloads.
Sounds like you have a lot of learning to do. Here is a good start on RV electric from the RV-Dreams website, http://www.rv-dreams.com/rv-electrical.html. Here are some helpful tutorials/websites on RV electric - http://www.marxrv.com/12volt/12volt.htm and http://manmrk.net/tutorials/RV/phred/battery.html.
Well, this sounds like to me like you have a Magnum Inverter with the ME RC-50 remote control panel. That's the one we have and we have the same buttons and options.
Charger should be on all the time. You can shut it off manually but I can't think of a reason to do so.
Inverter on/off is to turn the inverter into standby mode. You need this when not hooked up to shore power if you want to run any 110V appliances (only run those your battery bank and the inverter can support). When drycamping, we mostly turn the inverter only on when we want to run some 110V and turn it off again after that, because the inverter standby consumes about 2-3 amps.
The other buttons are 'shore' (don't remember right now what it was, never used it), 'AGS', that is automatic generator start, so only relevant, if you have a generator wired to the charger/inverter, 'Meter', that is to read all possible numbers the remote provides, 'Setup', that is where you can 'program' your inverter to the specs of your battery bank, i.e. max amps, duration of charge stages, voltage while charging in those different stages, 'Tech', don't remember, I think it was for some special functions I never used.
You should have a small manual for the remote control, which is easy to read and follow, where all these buttons, especially the 'Setup' is explained in detail.
By the way, your panel reading of 14.0V in the absorb charging stage may or may not be the right voltage for your batteries to be charged properly. Check the specs of your battery manufacturer and adjust the charge voltage accordingly (using the 'Setup' options on the remote control).
If you don't have a manual for that remote control and it is a Magnum RC-50 I can help you navigate through the remote menu.
Bernd
We do turn off the charger when on metered electric and have good solar charging from our solar panels. It won't save that much electricity, it might buy me lunch once a month, but it makes me feel better that my solar charging system is doing something.
With a residential fridge you will most likely leave the inverter on all the time. I would not turn it off without testing with remote thermometers in both the freezer and refrigerator sections. You can't go from others experience here, since some can go 8 hours without power, while others can only go 3 hours.
We started up the coach.... heres the issue: once we unplug the cord everything turns off....appliances are not running off the engine. Inverter is in the off position on the panel. Should we have the inverter button ON while driving? I thought it was only supposed to be on if, for instance, we don't have electricity from the outside and the engine isn't on or we don't have the generator on....like if we are traveling and need to go into the store....then we would turn the inverter on while inside and turn it off again once we are back on the road. Is this correct?
Thanks
Marilyn & Gene
If you want power to the fridge when not on shore power, the inverter has to be on. It has an internal transfer switch and will switch to inverting when the power goes away, like when you unplug the shore power.
As I said above, "With a residential fridge you will most likely leave the inverter on all the time". Without electric power, the fridge will warm up internally and all your food will spoil. When the motorhome engine is running the batteries are being charged by your engine alternator.
THANKS TO ALL -
Verified today that the inverter should always stay on . They said we "Could" turn it off while plugged in but better to leave it on just in case there should be some kind of outage..
That indeed was our problem...we had it turned off... Looking forward to our first official trip this upcoming weekend in the new RV.
Again...thanks to all for your continued support
Marilyn & Gene
-- Edited by EggerMar on Tuesday 15th of July 2014 09:36:17 PM