Got a tough one for you. It is recommended that tires be rolled every month to stop the chemicals from pooling in one place in the tire...makes sense. But we are in a seasonal site this summer that is extremely tight (we paid a professonial truck driver to get us in the spot) and cannot really move the fifth wheel. Any other suggestions to protect the tires in this situation??
Lucky Mike said
07:04 AM May 13, 2014
a bottle jack....spin the tire......done !
BiggarView said
08:49 AM May 13, 2014
??? Okay, this a new one on me. I get the whole flat spot for tires that aren't moved in a long time, but chemicals pooling? My first reaction was is this April 1st, then Lucky Mike deadpanned the obvious solution so maybe its legit or is this a secret newbie ritual or rite of passage that us FNG's are "required" to go thru to reach senority status amongst the experienced.(and the senior guys get a great chuckle) Is that one of the Campfire tales MarkS was alluding to on his "winter/summer transition" thread? I recall my Navy days when the new guys were sent to me(in supply) from the engine spaces with requisitions for "left handed screw drivers" or the aviation deck new guys needing "jet wash kits"(I heard about that one from my supply friends on aircraft carriers).
-- Edited by biggaRView on Tuesday 13th of May 2014 08:49:36 AM
-- Edited by biggaRView on Tuesday 13th of May 2014 08:56:53 AM
Lucky Mike said
12:12 PM May 13, 2014
Brian.......you do know that you have to change out the air too!!...........air left in the tire over the winter goes stale and creates black mold inside your tires...this can become very hazardous if your mouth was to come in contact with the surface of the inside of your tire!!!........just say'in
53 Merc said
12:25 PM May 13, 2014
Mike, stop it! (at least wait until I wipe up the coffee) Next you will tell the guy to be sure the muffler bearings are properly lubed. (Ha!)
I remember being the new kid on the drilling rig. Derrick man told me to go get a left handed 24. I brought him a 24, and he said, no, the left handed one. I told him to put it in his left hand. (I grew up in the oil patch and went to the rig with Dad when he would let me. Knew all the things the new guy was subject to, like, get the sky hook, chase off the mud pups, be sure to check the crown blocks ehn you come to work, etc, etc. However, bottle jack, spin tires is so logical, I would not have thought of it. I am sure somebody is going to recommend the use of nitrogen in the tires, to stop the mold growth. Jeez, the things we do for fun.
Lonney Wade said
12:53 PM May 13, 2014
You need a muffler bearing puller before the muffler bearings are properly lubed. Just say'in.
Lonney
cherylbrv said
01:37 PM May 13, 2014
You guys are not being very kind to the gullible newbies here!!!
BiggarView said
01:58 PM May 13, 2014
Lucky Mike wrote:
Brian.......you do know that you have to change out the air too!!...........air left in the tire over the winter goes stale and creates black mold inside your tires...this can become very hazardous if your mouth was to come in contact with the surface of the inside of your tire!!!........just say'in
.... now your just giving away the trade secrets..... Cheryl is on to you
Camper Chronicles said
02:00 PM May 13, 2014
Ok so maybe I misheard but in the Rv Dreams Rally it was recommended that you drive on the tires at least once a month. the note I took (and I certainly could have gotten it wrong) was that they chemicals would "pool" if in one place too long. Would someone who was in the seminar please step in and verify whether I heard that right or not??
BiggarView said
02:04 PM May 13, 2014
cherylbrv wrote:
You guys are not being very kind to the gullible newbies here!!!
Cindi says ditto
DEWhit said
05:18 PM May 13, 2014
" It is recommended that tires be rolled every month to stop the chemicals from pooling in one place in the tire...makes sense. "
There is something about the use of the word "chemicals" in that statement that makes me wonder if the person giving the advice uses liquid flat repair in their tires and thinks this is being used by others.
The sealing products are a horrible product to use in any road tire.
Many have learned to expect a visit from the new hires in tire shops looking for the nitrogen gauge or asking when the the helium service is coming to refill the tire shop tanks.
Even a few new drivers were fooled when the shop mechanics told them to ask dispatch for trailers with helium filled tires that were better for carrying heavier loads.
el Rojo and Pam said
06:00 PM May 13, 2014
Howard could you give some clarification about the comments you made at the rally concerning the UV protection in the tires? I believe this is what Trace is referring to.
Lucky Mike said
06:16 PM May 13, 2014
The OP's post is a legitimate concern that most are not familiar with ........the easiest method to spin the tire is to place a bottle jack or lift and spin the tire 1/2 revolution..
but your right this thread went a little wacky right after......(off to my time out now...)
Camper Chronicles said
06:33 PM May 13, 2014
Lol Mike that's ok ... Felt a little like I was sent on a snipe hunt for a minute there though :)
MarkS said
06:38 PM May 13, 2014
Hey Mike, forget the time out, gullible newbies are what make the rotating tire go round.
Btw I found a great deal on metric crescent wrenches at Harbor Freight.
Alie and Jims Carrilite said
07:23 PM May 14, 2014
I always thought that you had to change the air in the tires every spring. Stale tire air makes the tires go flatter farther faster...
CJSX2fromCT said
01:08 AM May 16, 2014
Anyone interested in a case of cordless extension cords, They work GREAT when you are just out of reach of the outlet. Pm if interested.
BiggarView said
04:46 AM May 16, 2014
As long as we are going on this tangent here's my two cents, for the electrically challenged out there, Home Despot has a special on light bulb filament repair kits ....
-- Edited by biggaRView on Friday 16th of May 2014 05:12:36 AM
Howard said
08:03 AM May 16, 2014
Okay, point of clarification. Lots of different materials go into the production of a tire, and some of those are chemical compounds - carbon black, sulfur, zinc stearate, wax, and various anti-oxidants and anti-zonants, and more - that help keep the rubber soft, protect the tire from UV rays, protect the surface of the tire, etc. The term "pooling" was never used and the reason for that is now evident in this thread - it leads to mis-perceptions about "liquid" being in the tires.
Now, with that said, the tire manufacturers suggest that the chemical compounds engineered into the tires for the tire's long-term protection are best distributed throughout the entire tire by driving on the tires. The tire manufacturers don't typically say this "out loud", they simply say "tires deteriorate when not being used". The longer tires remain stationary, the more opportunity there is for permanent flat-spotting, and the less the chemical compounds get properly distributed uniformly throughout the tire to better protect them from ozone, oxidation, and UV rays.
So, though it is not absolutely necessary, we recommend that whether an RV is in storage or sitting in a seasonal site, that the RV be driven about once a month to help prevent flat-spotting and to assist with the distribution of chemical compounds so that the tires last longer. The tire manufacturers say move the RV once every three months, but the RV Safety & Education Foundation recommends once a month not only for the tires, but to exercise the other functions of the RV. If the RV can't be driven or moved, then make sure the tires are covered with breathable materials and that there is a barrier placed between the tires and the storage surface (especially if the surface is concrete, asphalt, or gravel).
Also, Michelin recommends that the inflation pressure be set to the sidewall pressure when the tires are mounted on an RV and the RV is in storage or a long-term parking situation. Goodyear recommends inflating the tires to regular operating pressure plus 25% (but not over sidewall max and not over tire rim max inflation).
Jacking up the RV and spinning the tires will help prevent the flat-spotting, but it is the pressure on the tires when being driven that helps distribute the chemical compounds.
I hope that helps answer the original poster's question and provides a little clarification for the rest of the thread.
BiggarView said
08:45 AM May 16, 2014
Thanks Howard. It was news to me about the chemical side of it. I doubt I would have ever need to know why, but then ignorance is not always bliss. More facts to store away in that "mine of useless info" I have between my ears, not really useless, but not something I'll resusitate very often. Glad you set the record straight.
The sideways bent of this thread was funny too.
TRAILERKING said
08:49 AM May 16, 2014
It's the flexing and warming (puting some heat in the tire) when rolling down the highway. It's good exercise for the tire.
Camper Chronicles said
06:01 AM May 18, 2014
Thanks Howard. My notes were a little unclear..not surprising since I took so many of them at the rally. Appreciate the clarification.
Billy Bob said
10:53 AM May 23, 2014
I can understand the flat spot on tires that set a long time before being moved, but I can not see chemicals moving around in a solid material such as a tire. Am I missing some thing here.
bjoyce said
11:00 AM May 23, 2014
Billy Bob wrote:
I can understand the flat spot on tires that set a long time before being moved, but I can not see chemicals moving around in a solid material such as a tire. Am I missing some thing here.
You are trying to move the chemicals too far. They are embedded all through the tire material and the flexing and temperatures cause them to be released and activated.
FastEagle said
05:59 AM May 24, 2014
MarkS wrote:
Btw I found a great deal on metric crescent wrenches at Harbor Freight.
That's a very true statement. Crescent is a brand name just as Snap-on is. They make open end, box end wrenches etc..etc.. and all other sorts of wrenches, metric and otherwise.
An old Navy Aircraft Mechanic just loves to mess with old USAF mechanics.
FastEagle
WestWardHo said
05:19 PM May 24, 2014
You guys (except for Howard) are SO BAD! Jesse had a great laugh reading some of the replies on this thread though.
Got a tough one for you. It is recommended that tires be rolled every month to stop the chemicals from pooling in one place in the tire...makes sense. But we are in a seasonal site this summer that is extremely tight (we paid a professonial truck driver to get us in the spot) and cannot really move the fifth wheel. Any other suggestions to protect the tires in this situation??
??? Okay, this a new one on me. I get the whole flat spot for tires that aren't moved in a long time, but chemicals pooling? My first reaction was is this April 1st, then Lucky Mike deadpanned the obvious solution so maybe its legit or is this a secret newbie ritual or rite of passage that us FNG's are "required" to go thru to reach senority status amongst the experienced.(and the senior guys get a great chuckle) Is that one of the Campfire tales MarkS was alluding to on his "winter/summer transition" thread? I recall my Navy days when the new guys were sent to me(in supply) from the engine spaces with requisitions for "left handed screw drivers" or the aviation deck new guys needing "jet wash kits"(I heard about that one from my supply friends on aircraft carriers).
-- Edited by biggaRView on Tuesday 13th of May 2014 08:49:36 AM
-- Edited by biggaRView on Tuesday 13th of May 2014 08:56:53 AM
I remember being the new kid on the drilling rig. Derrick man told me to go get a left handed 24. I brought him a 24, and he said, no, the left handed one. I told him to put it in his left hand. (I grew up in the oil patch and went to the rig with Dad when he would let me. Knew all the things the new guy was subject to, like, get the sky hook, chase off the mud pups, be sure to check the crown blocks ehn you come to work, etc, etc. However, bottle jack, spin tires is so logical, I would not have thought of it. I am sure somebody is going to recommend the use of nitrogen in the tires, to stop the mold growth. Jeez, the things we do for fun.
You need a muffler bearing puller before the muffler bearings are properly lubed.
Just say'in.
Lonney
Cindi says ditto
" It is recommended that tires be rolled every month to stop the chemicals from pooling in one place in the tire...makes sense. "
There is something about the use of the word "chemicals" in that statement that makes me wonder if the person giving the advice uses liquid flat repair in their tires and thinks this is being used by others.
The sealing products are a horrible product to use in any road tire.
Many have learned to expect a visit from the new hires in tire shops looking for the nitrogen gauge or asking when the the helium service is coming to refill the tire shop tanks.
Even a few new drivers were fooled when the shop mechanics told them to ask dispatch for trailers with helium filled tires that were better for carrying heavier loads.
but your right this thread went a little wacky right after......(off to my time out now...)
Btw I found a great deal on metric crescent wrenches at Harbor Freight.
I always thought that you had to change the air in the tires every spring. Stale tire air makes the tires go flatter farther faster...
As long as we are going on this tangent here's my two cents, for the electrically challenged out there, Home Despot has a special on light bulb filament repair kits ....
-- Edited by biggaRView on Friday 16th of May 2014 05:12:36 AM
Okay, point of clarification. Lots of different materials go into the production of a tire, and some of those are chemical compounds - carbon black, sulfur, zinc stearate, wax, and various anti-oxidants and anti-zonants, and more - that help keep the rubber soft, protect the tire from UV rays, protect the surface of the tire, etc. The term "pooling" was never used and the reason for that is now evident in this thread - it leads to mis-perceptions about "liquid" being in the tires.
Now, with that said, the tire manufacturers suggest that the chemical compounds engineered into the tires for the tire's long-term protection are best distributed throughout the entire tire by driving on the tires. The tire manufacturers don't typically say this "out loud", they simply say "tires deteriorate when not being used". The longer tires remain stationary, the more opportunity there is for permanent flat-spotting, and the less the chemical compounds get properly distributed uniformly throughout the tire to better protect them from ozone, oxidation, and UV rays.
So, though it is not absolutely necessary, we recommend that whether an RV is in storage or sitting in a seasonal site, that the RV be driven about once a month to help prevent flat-spotting and to assist with the distribution of chemical compounds so that the tires last longer. The tire manufacturers say move the RV once every three months, but the RV Safety & Education Foundation recommends once a month not only for the tires, but to exercise the other functions of the RV. If the RV can't be driven or moved, then make sure the tires are covered with breathable materials and that there is a barrier placed between the tires and the storage surface (especially if the surface is concrete, asphalt, or gravel).
Also, Michelin recommends that the inflation pressure be set to the sidewall pressure when the tires are mounted on an RV and the RV is in storage or a long-term parking situation. Goodyear recommends inflating the tires to regular operating pressure plus 25% (but not over sidewall max and not over tire rim max inflation).
Jacking up the RV and spinning the tires will help prevent the flat-spotting, but it is the pressure on the tires when being driven that helps distribute the chemical compounds.
I hope that helps answer the original poster's question and provides a little clarification for the rest of the thread.
Thanks Howard. It was news to me about the chemical side of it. I doubt I would have ever need to know why, but then ignorance is not always bliss. More facts to store away in that "mine of useless info" I have between my ears, not really useless, but not something I'll resusitate very often. Glad you set the record straight.
The sideways bent of this thread was funny too.
You are trying to move the chemicals too far. They are embedded all through the tire material and the flexing and temperatures cause them to be released and activated.
That's a very true statement. Crescent is a brand name just as Snap-on is. They make open end, box end wrenches etc..etc.. and all other sorts of wrenches, metric and otherwise.
An old Navy Aircraft Mechanic just loves to mess with old USAF mechanics.
FastEagle
Trace, you're doing fine!
Sherry