Jo and I have two small dogs. Both are Miniature Pinchers and are spoiled as all get-out. We love them dearly, but when they are gone, we will likely never have another one. We are fortunate in where we are, we can have a fair sized yard for them, and at their age, it doesn't take much of a yard for them to tire of exploring.
There have been a number of times we wanted to go somewhere for a few days, but had no one that could look out for them for us. Thus, we've missed those opportunities. I can imagine that unless one has a service dog, many places will not allow them, so once again, we would miss out on seeing great places.
Plus, the proper care for them is important. Veterinarian bills are getting out of hand, and a dog going up and down slick RV steps has a tendency to slip and fall. $$$$$
While I love dogs, when we finally get to travel and see all that we can see of this country, I don't want to have to wonder about my pet, nor have to board them out somewhere if we want to spend the day exploring national or state parks.
I would certainly look into other options for self defense. It doesn't have to be a firearm.I know of folks that are using what are called "trail cams" or "game cameras" to set up outside their homes. With those, when a movement trips that camera, it takes a picture of what tripped it. With that, one can check for photos after returning from an outing and if someone has been nosing around one's RV, one can change parks or campgrounds. Just be sure and place the camera where the thieves can't steal those.
Terry
-- Edited by Terry and Jo on Sunday 3rd of March 2013 02:48:15 PM
Hina said
06:29 PM Mar 3, 2013
I'm thinking when I hit the road full time, it might be good to get a dog, and as a single woman traveling alone, it might be good to get a "real" dog vs a "toy" dog. Most dogs up for adoption around here are either chihuahuas or pitbulls, and considering those options....
Anyone have a pitbull? Campground restrictions? Fear factor? (Though part of my point, for the creeps out there)
Any other breed opinions? I think a dog 40-50 pounds, low shedding, laid back and mellow, but not lazy, obedient, protective and looks like a "real dog".
MarkS said
07:21 PM Mar 3, 2013
Any dog, but especially a big dog is a lot of additional responsibility and once you have them it is a lifetime commitment. You must be ready to take care of their needs even in pouring rain or a blizzard. I prefer not to have pets (liar liar pants on fire) and that's why we adopted two homeless ones. Since they were homeless I don't get attached (repeat above). Ours are small fellows.
What I would never do is get a dog for protection in a vehicle. I don't believe you can provide enough exercise to keep them healthy. They are cooped up way too much. I prefer due diligence in picking the spot I stop. Keeping an eye open for those situations that make me uncomfortable and avoiding them as much as possible. Learning and practicing good security discipline to avoid situations where Mr Glock might be called upon and knowing Mr Glock intimately so if I need him I know what to expect.
PIEERE said
07:23 PM Mar 3, 2013
My brother and i owned black Labradors. They are friendly but very protective of their owner and families. Most RV parks I ever been in are very restrictive on what they believe to be aggressive breeds.
Lucky Mike said
07:25 PM Mar 3, 2013
just as a general observation ......larger aggressive breeds will mean alot of ..."no your dog is not allowed here due to insurance liability".....will be putting you in the boondocking mode alot.......
.a 40 to 50 pound dog in your rig is cramp
almost all campgrounds do not allow you to put the dog outside unless you are outside with it....this does not mean sit inside the coach as the dog mauls the first little kid that runs thru your site or attempts to pet the animal
the 4 foot leash rule is not a 20 foot cable.....anything over 4 to 6 feet results in the owner not having full control of the animal. and animals tied to stationary leads that short tend to become aggressive .
dogs are a major responsibility within environments that have alot of strangers and movement.....ALL Animals Bite.....it is there only protection. there is no such thing as one that doesnt....
Even a barking dog inside your unit can have you removed from a campground......no one wants to here it bark all the time and then here someone scream shut up right after it barks......
This is an observation from my prospective.....several camping areas I have worked in ,I have had to ask the owners to pack up and leave do to there dogs.
I am A Dog owner, Nikki Travels Everywhere I go and I am subjected to this all the time.....Nikki is a Service dog and has her privileges but I know She will bite. and her natural instincts as a dog will appear...no matter how well trained a dog is things happen I find that dogs are like firearms in a campground.......all rules pertaining to them are in black and white and there is no deviation from them. They have been abused so bad by people inserting there thoughts on how they should be handled that good dog owners suffer from it.
good luck.....but my opinion is that just the word pit bull will cause problems......adding the words protection will make it worse....and asking the words Why will have the counter person asking you to leave.
Racerguy said
07:29 PM Mar 3, 2013
Just think about one thing.Having a dog will at times restrict things you can do and places you can go.When we were full time we wanted to spend some time with a family member at a condo on the beach and they didn't allow dogs.We boarded him for a week while we went and would never do that to him again.It took us a long time to get him back to normal where he didn't have a problem with us leaving him for a few hours like we did before.In 17 months and 2 trips across the Country from coast to coast we never felt the need for a "real" dog for protection.Even traveling solo as you will be doing I see no real threats out there.
GENECOP said
07:41 PM Mar 3, 2013
Merged.....
Cindy T said
07:52 PM Mar 3, 2013
I think it will be difficult to find campgrounds that will allow you to stay there with a pit bull. Many campgrounds do not allow pit bulls, Akitas, etc. There are cities that do not allow pit bulls within city limits. It's unfortunate that horrible people who have mistreated pit bulls have given them a bad reputation.
WestWardHo said
07:56 PM Mar 3, 2013
I agree with above. Many campgrounds list on their sites "no pit bulls". When we checked our insurance company for renting our home, they told us that renters can not have a pit bull or Doberman.
Labs ARE wonderful but check for hip problems as they have been so inbred that it could be a problem. Although you go out in whatever kind of weather to take care of your dog, it's good for you and they are good company. We keep a towel by the door for feet for inclement weather. We travel with a puppy and a cat. Pup thinks cat is her personal squeak toy. Put pup in her pen when we leave and she doesn't bark although cat loves to stroll by and sit two feet from pen to tease her.
Dogs are also a good way to start a conversation with other campers who are dog friendly.
bigredoes said
08:01 PM Mar 3, 2013
Standard Poodle...calm enough to NOT yap all the time....bark big enough to alert an intruder that they would have to deal with this dog.....non allergenic...no shedding....obedient as you make it.....no problem getting into rv parks. You may substitute Standard Poodle for ??? but it would meet ALL of your requirements
I would add a can of wasp spray at the door and a firearm (if you so desire)
Hina said
09:17 PM Mar 3, 2013
The voices of reason. I think I watch too much Animal Planet while I am at work on the weekends. :)
Hina said
09:26 PM Mar 3, 2013
Standard poodles rock, I has a little ****zpoo with dreadlocks, best killed buddy ever. But Standards can be hard to come by, and filling out applications and "home inspections" with rescue groups might be pointless with RV living, doubt the lifestyle would pass muster.
I have also has Xoloitzcuintlis, but that rescue group wants your employer, 3 non related references, $350 and your signature in blood! LOL
bjoyce said
09:35 PM Mar 3, 2013
Interesting that my experience with solo RVers is they have less dogs on average than non-solo RVers. Not that they dislike dogs, they dislike being tied down and solos often want to be free of commitments. Cats on the other hand......
Hina said
10:14 PM Mar 3, 2013
Looks like the obscenity blocker misinterpreted me; a ****zu poodle mixed breed. Also, my cellphone helpfully corrected the abbreviation for little into killed... the dog was alive when I rescued him from the freeway!
Lucky Mike said
10:18 PM Mar 3, 2013
LOL.....auto Correct is a wonderful thing!!!!!
Simple add on craigslist might give you a new pal and be able to rehome a suffering animal!!.......without having to jump thru hoops and such just to do it!!!
nightsky said
11:45 PM Mar 3, 2013
I'm an animal lover as well, but can't imagine full-timing with a Pitty. Between my daughter and I we have 4 cats and 4 dogs, but they're all getting well up in years. My Dane will likely not see next spring and the Yorkie I inherited when my Mom passed is 10. As much as I love them all I'll be glad when they're gone. IF I ever decided to have a dog while on the road it would be something in the Beagle/fox terrier size range. I may be traveling with a cat, Mr. Kitty is a stray that wandered into the farm in MN 6 years ago as an adult, so he's no spring chicken either. I will have Marley, who is just under a year old and has a life expectancy of about 20 years. Perfect pet for a full-timer... don't have to walk him or clean a litter box, never barks when left alone, just give him some water and feed him once a week. I'm not too sure how good he'd be at fending off intruders though. LOL
Hina said
02:17 AM Mar 4, 2013
Nice snake!
OKAY, you guys are talking me out of this idea. One concern I've had, is what to do if I am selling stuff at a flea market? A dog babysitter for a day or two could wipe out the profit (here in Sonoma County, doggie day care is $50-60 or more per day, private individuals, minimum of $25)
I do have Sparky the Zebra finch, and Alpha, the crippled Canary. Very cute, and self sufficient! But lousy at guard duty, and they won't play fetch or sit on my lap.
cejones4210 said
03:32 AM Mar 4, 2013
We Rved with a Lab for eight years; she was a wonderful traveler. No problems ever, if we wanted to go somewhere for the day, she slept in her kennel just like in our S&B. Yes, We had to walk her for her exercise and needs, but that made sure I had exercise too! She loved going and when she saw the Airstream in the driveway, she would lay by the door so she didn't get left. She rarely barked and we never once had anyone make a complaint against her. We always leave a radio on for company and to provide a cover for outside noise. She was as gentle as could be and loved people. We now travel with 2 Australian Terriers. They also love to travel and have been going with us since puppies. They do tend to bark, but again leaving them with a radio and a fan on to cover outside noise has seemed to do the job. Sleeping in their kennels while we are exploring places where dogs aren't welcome hasn't limited our adventures. Lots of places have no problems with dogs as long as they are on a leash and well behaved. Training for any dog is a must; you don't want a spoiled brat for a child or for a pet! Be considerate, clean up after your pet and be aware that not everyone likes dogs, so restrict your dog's interaction with others until you know they enjoy a dogs company and have ok'ed their presence. Never leave them outside alone! Dogs make great companions, but require a lot of attention and work on your part, but the unconditional love they give is so worth it. Just my 2 cents. :)
Delaine and Lindy said
03:59 AM Mar 4, 2013
We traveled with our "Montana" 102 lbs, His dad was a Lab and his mother was a beagle, he got his dads gene's. However our Montana was so very smart, never had a issue at all. But we never left him longer that 4 hours. Most of the time Montana went with us. I wouldn't put my Montana in a kennel at all. Montana was a family member. We were so Blessed to have Montana in our lives for 3 years and 8 months. He developed a problem, he had seizures the last year of his life. Seven different Vet. from Florida to Colorado, there was no cure, we could medicate him, but to stop the seizures it turned him into a zombie state, could walk. So the last night of his life, he had 7 seizures, if you have never seen a large furr kid have a seizure, I hope you never do. I took him to our vet, and held him and watched him take his last breath. It broke my heart, that was Dec. 21st 2010, I still have a hard time today. I own my family cemetery, it dates back to the Civil War and there is a Confederate Solider there, 10th Tennessee Calvary, my "Montana" is resting just across from were I will someday be laid to rest. I pray to meet my Montana at the "Rainbow Bridge", I believe Montana is waiting there for me. Montana was never away from my side for over 4 hours. I Love and miss my Montana.
As for Pit Bulls, most every RV park we were in didn't allow Pit Bulls. And many had weight limits.. But even in those parks after the manager met Montana he was always allowed to stay.
We have retired from Rving and I wouldn't get another pet if we were Rving. But thats just my opinion. To really take care of your furr kids it takes a lot of your time and energy, and the cost of Vets is very expensive, but your furr kid has to be treated like you kid. But I will never regret a minute I had with my Montana. Happy Trails....
SnowGypsy said
06:27 PM Mar 4, 2013
I have two older dogs and they will probably be the last I will have. Having them is SO restrictive when you travel and even when you live in a home if you are a good dog owner. I can't say how many times I saw couples leave two yapping dogs that barked the entire day! Just say no to pitbulls. We just moved from a county that banned them. On Thanksgiving on a casual walk, 2 got loose some how and charged us and went after our dogs but luckily, I had a stun gun called "Knuckle Blaster" and although I could not get a good connection to the dog, I got close enough to redirect the dogs when they put their mouths on either of the dogs. I love my "Knuckle Blaster" but I realized that I needed something longer because each time I reached out my hand, I realized these dogs could bite me so now I have something longer. a baton, with 4 hot spots which is also a flashlight. I believe that you must really love dogs to put up with them and would discourage anyone from getting one for the sole purpose of protection/watch dog. Our chow shepherd wants to petted by anyone and the yellow lab wants to have people for dinner, not in a good way so beware making a total judgement based purely on breed. I am blessed that both dogs are extremely obedient and I use the prone collars which many oppose but they came in handy when the pits were trying to get to their throats since they found biting them unpleasant. When we came through OK 7 years ago and stayed at a KOA, they looked at "Rinnie" (chow/shepherd) and said that if we came back they probably would not be able to take us because there were several breeds that the insurance company would not let them take and the list was growing. You have to be careful with stun guns too because they are not legal in some places. Both of our dogs came from city animal control facilities and that is the only place I would get a dog and if you develop a relationship with the facility, they can be very helpful in helping you select the right dog. Think mixed breed.
Talensnana said
10:45 PM Mar 1, 2014
As a former insurance agent I will tell you insurance companies frown on what they consider violent dogs. I have some friends that had a pit bull and she was the sweetest thIng. (Like people it is how they are raised).
Hina we have been traveling with 3 parrots and will now be 5 as we just rescued two more. Our feathered babies are great watchdogs. Our African grey can bark, meow, and terrorize any intruder. Our other birds growl when someone they don't know comes near the RV. Best of all in bad weather they like to be inside hanging out with mommy and daddy.
DebbieM said
12:29 AM Mar 2, 2014
Hi Hina, are you back in CA? We will be heading out in Summer. We have had our sons pitbull since he was 1. He is now 5. He is sweet and well behaved. He is my hiking and kayak buddy. I've noticed that only private parks seem to restrict certain breeds. Most state, national, county parks are ok with any breed as long as they do not show any aggression and are well behaved, regardless of the breed. As it should be. I've seen more small sized dogs that rush and nip. We may have to take him with us the first 6 mos while our son finishes school. While I will miss him, we'd rather not have any more pets. We have lived on a ranch and always had dogs, but now that they are all passed, we'd like to just be able to have the total freedom without having a pet to be worried. We don't know how Hurley will behave once he is in a trailer and what or how he may feel about his new, constantly changing home/yard. That's something we'll have to deal with when it comes. We'll do some short runs before we leave the area to see how he does. He does not like to be left alone, but he is doesn't bark either. I just wouldn't feel right if he were always insecure, sad or felt like we were abandoning him frequently.
mylittledogs said
04:11 AM Mar 2, 2014
A lot of campground we have stayed in if you read their pet section, they don't allow pitbulls.
Dog Folks said
12:58 PM Mar 2, 2014
Hina wrote:
I'm thinking when I hit the road full time, it might be good to get a dog, and as a single woman traveling alone, it might be good to get a "real" dog vs a "toy" dog. Most dogs up for adoption around here are either chihuahuas or pitbulls, and considering those options.... Anyone have a pitbull? Campground restrictions? Fear factor? (Though part of my point, for the creeps out there) Any other breed opinions? I think a dog 40-50 pounds, low shedding, laid back and mellow, but not lazy, obedient, protective and looks like a "real dog".
My law enforcement friends have told me that ANY dog barking, even a Chihuahua, will reduce the chances of a break in by 20%.
Burglars want three things, concealment, quiet, solitude once inside.
A barking dog, regardless of breed, takes away two of those three things.
BiggarView said
04:16 PM Mar 2, 2014
If you want a dog, have a dog. Since you say you've got a Xolo you know all about the needs of a dog. As MarkS has said if you are alert and pay attention to your surroundings the safety/protection issue should not be one. Many have correctly stated that many campgrounds will not accept Pits and that is their call. I just read online somewhere that Pits are being impounded and put down at the border to some provinces of Canada(sorry don't recall the source) so, if true, then that would be something to keep in mind in your travels if Canada is in your plans. Properly treated and trained any dog will be a joy to you and provide the affection and companionship that they all provide their Alpha's.
As you can see from our avatar and FWIW we have a wonderful beagle, at 30 pounds she is active and alert and a great watchdog and awesome companion that give us joy everyday. She rarely barks but will when alerted to outside noises but quickly settles down and properly lets us know when somebody is at the door.(will bey at the tornado sirens--what a laugh riot) She travels well and is very social and friendly to all. What else could anyone ask for?
Hina said
09:56 AM Mar 6, 2014
Hi Debbie, I am in southern Nevada, don't plan on being near NorCal for another month or two.
JayKim-no regrets said
02:15 PM Mar 6, 2014
Hina....
I would just like to give a word or two on behalf of the 'Pitbull', Jay and I rescued "Bella" from the local no-kill shelter here in Nov' last year, she had been bred as a bait dog, she was very timid, shy and scared of her own shadow!
We have taken her to 3 different RV parks so far, we have had no issues at any of them, she looks like a pitbull and weighs around 50 pounds, on her vet papers her breed says she is an American Staffordshire terrier, although we have never been asked by an RV park host to show them.
Bella is the darling of our present RV park, everyone loves her, she is not aggressive and any time she meets new people she lays down to let them rub her tummy. I doubt she would make a good guard dog, she is just too friendly.
Any dog is a big commitment, but please don't be put off pitbulls, it's usually the owner that is the one to blame for the behaviour (good or bad) of the dog.
huggs Kim x
Hina said
06:56 PM Mar 6, 2014
I adopted a dog last year. His name is Toto, and he is a Mexican Hairless.
Lucky Mike said
06:59 PM Mar 6, 2014
I saw a few of your video's with him........he is alot of fun I see!!!!!!
Alie and Jims Carrilite said
07:08 PM Mar 6, 2014
That's the classic "Who Me!" the cat/bird/dog/hamster did it!
Hina said
07:42 PM Mar 7, 2014
A rascal.
WestWardHo said
09:13 AM Mar 8, 2014
All right, Jane, where have you been? Don't you know we worry about family members who disappear? Good to see you post again.
Sherry
Hina said
06:22 PM Mar 9, 2014
Just been busy with stuff. Sometimes, not being a couple, not selling a house, and being a prepper leaves me the odd gal out around here.
Lucky Mike said
06:28 PM Mar 9, 2014
your never the odd out Jane.......I've been stalking you on you tube
You have really good idea's and should share them ........remember ,it might be odd in a small group , but this is the internet and billions are out here and thousands are reading just you!!!!!!
Hina said
06:58 PM Mar 9, 2014
Gee Mike, I believe I've heard you use the term "tin foil hat" on this forum. Maybe politics are verboten here, but there is a whole younger generation getting into RVs because of it!
WestWardHo said
07:19 PM Mar 9, 2014
An interesting odd gal out for sure! 😊 You do share interesting ideas and I'm wondering how your dog training is going? Thanks to another friend on the forum who shared your utube channel I too, can stalk you!
Sherry
Hina said
08:13 PM Mar 9, 2014
I guess I feel that "interesting" ideas are not always appreciated, unless they relate to real estate, driving directions or nuts and bolts.
Toto has made leaps and bounds. In the last two weeks, he has lost his fear of strangers, and I feel OK about letting people approach him (or now, him approaching people) He's decided RV people are OK, they treat him kindly, and often have dog treats! He made friends with some nice people from Pennsylvania, and their 95 lb Labradoodle, who were parked next door for 10 days. I think he wanted to jump in their RV, and drive away! (They never say no, or scold me!) Since then, he has been much better around strangers. He's also losing some of his fear of bigger dogs.
Toto has also learned to come when I call him off leash, and has proven himself to be quite the athlete! Runs like a greyhound, and leaps over bushes while chasing rabbits. He's calming down, getting better, but still a "different" dog, due to the primitive nature of the breed.
WendysPhotos said
01:55 PM May 20, 2014
Who needs a dog Just get an attack cat They are easier to take care of and you can leave for a day or two and they are fine.
Our cats on the other hand would probably just watch us get attacked with popcorn for the show
Wendy
MarkS said
08:09 PM May 20, 2014
This cat is throwing the ceremonial first pitch at the semi-pro baseball game in Bakersfield. They said he can use help from his family.
BertDM said
08:10 AM May 28, 2014
Lucky Mark.
I too have an AKK. He travels very well, back seat and asleep. We traveled across the country with our 5th wheel. Stayed at RV parks, no issues. My wife and I are getting ready to Full Time, with a base in Tx.
manycats said
10:08 AM May 28, 2014
I do have an attack cat, my oldest one. She's part Manx and will attack any dog, no matter what size. Don't know about burglars though...!
RodgerS said
08:18 PM Jul 18, 2014
Pit Bulls can be good companion dogs. However getting one from a rescue simply means their history is unknown, but many people feel good about rescuing a dog.
Pit Bulls are one of the most common rescue dogs, commonly not wanted at RV parks, low on the RV suitability list, and "in general, with exceptions" good at making big problems for their owners. One park states "The following breeds are NEVER permitted at any time: Chow, Staffordshire terrier (pit bull), Rottweiler, and Bull Mastiff."
I think that an owner would need to exercise a higher degree of seriousness about their individual Pit Bull choice than say an individual Min Pin owner. I think that owning a Staff, despite 3 good experiences, still has problem potentials as knowledge catches up and Staff are commonly considered the equivalent to a Pit Bull, fairly or unfairly.
You know or think you know your dog, and they don't. And if they ask you if you have a particular dog or ask you to sign off that you don't have a particular dog, you are assuming a lot of financial risk if you "maneuver around the issue" as well as putting your fellow RVers at risk.
What wasn't talked about was buying a pure breed dog. The advantage is that pure breed dogs tend to follow their breed tendencies, whereas a rescue dog is an unknown. Since the failure to match a dog to its owner is a key reason for the dog losing its home, it is something to consider. I would be a bit concerned about the reason listed by the prior owner - many people just don't want to say anything that would reflect badly on them.
Not too many owners want to pay, say $800 and up, to then put a pure breed dog out of the home. Nope, not many of those in shelters.
One issue not mentioned is that the rescue concept is becoming a bit of an ideological land mine and it is my understanding that some potential dog owners are bypassing the rescue dogs because of the adoption process, in general, with lots of exceptions of course.
Tough decision, but so are the reality decisions of living in an RV. Easy to dream and not think it through, or research it deeply.
By the way, a service dog is a well trained dog and so should a protection dog be well trained. Can't easily imagine someone rescuing a dog, then shelling out big bucks for professional dog protection training, but am sure it does happen.
RodgerS said
08:29 PM Jul 18, 2014
All quoted from source listed below:
"Dogs are who they are. Some tendencies are normal for all dogs, but are enhanced in certain breeds, or certain traits were selected for when those breeds were being developed...If you have a terrier or herding dog, he probably barks a lot and loudly. That's the dog you chose. Ideally, you researched the breed thoroughly before you chose it and can accept a certain amount of your dog's natural doggieness. If you didn't research the breed before you chose it, do it now, for a better understanding of your dog's natural tendencies, if nothing else. You are not ever going to train the instincts out of your dog, but you can learn how to manage your dog and modify or channel some of the behavior.
Dog Aggression
Some breeds have been selectively bred for fighting, often with other dogs. Although some individual dogs in the fighting breeds get along fine with other dogs, many don't, and serious injury or death can result from negligent handling of seriously dog-aggressive dogs. Training can help get control of the dog and teach him an alternate behavior to instigating fights, at least with his owner present, but good management is a big part of living with any dog that has a hard-wired or genetic tendency to fight with other dogs. Owners of dogs that are aggressive to other dogs are smart to work with an experienced trainer to help them modify their dog's behavior."
(Note: it is my understanding that mix breeds tend to take the tendencies of one of the breed mixed in. I think that is known as pot luck.)
The Junkman said
08:42 PM Jul 18, 2014
I would not want pitbulls around me or my dog. And If I had small kids , I would not want them there either.
It's not that I don't trust the dog.. Thats a given.. I don't trust the owner.. having control, letting it get loose, or to big for a skinny gal to even hold back.
Who should not have a Pit Bull? Bobbitt’s list of bad-owner characteristics includes those who think Pit Bulls are good at guarding people and property. “The American Pit Bull Terrier is not a guardian breed,” she says. “Pit Bulls were not bred to be man-biters, and in the history of the breed the Pit Bulls who did bite were put down right away. If you want a guard dog, choose something else. Many Pit Bulls will help the robber carry out the goods. Pit Bulls are a people-loving breed.”
Jerianne Brown, a breeder from Pennsylvania, believes that prospective owners should have “time and energy to devote to the Pit Bull [and be] willing to give plenty of opportunities for exercise, willing to leave breeding to the experts, and to properly train and socialize the Pit Bull.”
Carol Gaines, a long time APBT breeder and judge, says her wish list for a prospective Pit Bull owner includes “someone who is a responsible dog owner, someone who has studied the breed or knows someone who can help them understand the breed and what kind of reputation Pit Bulls have gotten from the press and the irresponsible Pit Bull owner.”
Who should not have a Pit Bull? Bobbitt’s list of bad-owner characteristics includes those who think Pit Bulls are good at guarding people and property. “The American Pit Bull Terrier is not a guardian breed,” she says. “Pit Bulls were not bred to be man-biters, and in the history of the breed the Pit Bulls who did bite were put down right away. If you want a guard dog, choose something else. Many Pit Bulls will help the robber carry out the goods. Pit Bulls are a people-loving breed.”
Jerianne Brown, a breeder from Pennsylvania, believes that prospective owners should have “time and energy to devote to the Pit Bull [and be] willing to give plenty of opportunities for exercise, willing to leave breeding to the experts, and to properly train and socialize the Pit Bull.”
Carol Gaines, a long time APBT breeder and judge, says her wish list for a prospective Pit Bull owner includes “someone who is a responsible dog owner, someone who has studied the breed or knows someone who can help them understand the breed and what kind of reputation Pit Bulls have gotten from the press and the irresponsible Pit Bull owner.”
Maybe people loving.. I don't know.. but they are not animal lovers.. Not with other dogs or animals. They will attack and bite.. and when you get in the middle, they will bite you too.
DebbieM said
11:16 PM Jul 18, 2014
We have a pitbull fulltiming with us for a year while our son finishes college. My son rescued a pit bull puppy when he was helping at a shelter. He learned a lot about the breed and eventually adopted one. He was neutered at 6 mos. I came from a family that raised black labs for hunting. I was very uncomfortable at first around Hurley (the pitbull). When my son's college housing changed, Hurley came to live with us and has been with us the past 4 years. He just turned 5. I have come a long way about pitbull thinking. I cannot speak for all pitbulls, or all pitbull owners. But Hurley is very gentle and a sweet dog. He gets along great with other dogs. Better with big dogs as he just wants to play with them, but he does get along fine with little dogs and puppies too. He is very good with people. He is more wary of men, but once he knows you for a minute and/or you are friendly with him, he is fine. No one can guarantee what their dog will or will not do. Any responsible dog owner should always evaluate every situation with their dog and err on the side of making others comfortable in normal situations.
We are now fulltime and I wasn't sure of taking him with us for many of the reasons listed below. I don't want anyone to feel uncomfortable with him around. I am a smaller gal. He is strong, but I can handle him fine. He is quite obedient. As far as campgrounds not allowing him, it's been my experience that mostly private parks have that rule. Most state/county/COE/etc will allow ANY dog as long as it is not threatening to others. ANY breed can be asked to leave if it is aggressive to others, as it should be. Since June 2 of the parks we stayed at were private. I called ahead of time and asked specifically about pitbulls. They both allowed him. He loves being a "trailer dog". He travels well in the truck and 5th wheel. When I walk him, I am always mindful of others. I will shorten his leash when passing others and move off the trail. I have surprisingly found that whether I'm on a trail or walking around a campground, most people have been very welcoming of him and say very nice things about him.
I can tell you, he is very well behaved. When we walk around the campground, it is all the little dogs that bark non-stop until we are out of sight. Hurley just ignores them. When around other friend's little dogs, they are always the ones that want to snap at him, not the other way around. This past trip, one of the two Chihuahuas got used to him and tolerated him. The other, well, he didn't even like other people either.
Glenn West said
08:41 AM Jul 19, 2014
If the park don't have a pet policy we won't stay there. We have seen a pit bull kill a small dog for no reason.
SnowGypsy said
09:44 AM Jul 19, 2014
This is a really good article about Breed Specific Legislation: www.aspca.org/fight-cruelty/dog-fighting/breed-specific-legislation and this one seems pretty good and lets one zero in on particular areas: www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/Locations/USLocations.htm My biggest issue in following this is that promoters of adopting pitbulls tend to only focus on the positive which really isn't fair to the dog or those adopting which is part of the reason that rescue and animal control facilities are loaded down with pitbulls. All breeds have positives and negatives and they all need consistent human leadership and care.
Jo and I have two small dogs. Both are Miniature Pinchers and are spoiled as all get-out. We love them dearly, but when they are gone, we will likely never have another one. We are fortunate in where we are, we can have a fair sized yard for them, and at their age, it doesn't take much of a yard for them to tire of exploring.
There have been a number of times we wanted to go somewhere for a few days, but had no one that could look out for them for us. Thus, we've missed those opportunities. I can imagine that unless one has a service dog, many places will not allow them, so once again, we would miss out on seeing great places.
Plus, the proper care for them is important. Veterinarian bills are getting out of hand, and a dog going up and down slick RV steps has a tendency to slip and fall. $$$$$
While I love dogs, when we finally get to travel and see all that we can see of this country, I don't want to have to wonder about my pet, nor have to board them out somewhere if we want to spend the day exploring national or state parks.
I would certainly look into other options for self defense. It doesn't have to be a firearm. I know of folks that are using what are called "trail cams" or "game cameras" to set up outside their homes. With those, when a movement trips that camera, it takes a picture of what tripped it. With that, one can check for photos after returning from an outing and if someone has been nosing around one's RV, one can change parks or campgrounds. Just be sure and place the camera where the thieves can't steal those.
Terry
-- Edited by Terry and Jo on Sunday 3rd of March 2013 02:48:15 PM
What I would never do is get a dog for protection in a vehicle. I don't believe you can provide enough exercise to keep them healthy. They are cooped up way too much. I prefer due diligence in picking the spot I stop. Keeping an eye open for those situations that make me uncomfortable and avoiding them as much as possible. Learning and practicing good security discipline to avoid situations where Mr Glock might be called upon and knowing Mr Glock intimately so if I need him I know what to expect.
.a 40 to 50 pound dog in your rig is cramp
almost all campgrounds do not allow you to put the dog outside unless you are outside with it....this does not mean sit inside the coach as the dog mauls the first little kid that runs thru your site or attempts to pet the animal
the 4 foot leash rule is not a 20 foot cable.....anything over 4 to 6 feet results in the owner not having full control of the animal. and animals tied to stationary leads that short tend to become aggressive .
dogs are a major responsibility within environments that have alot of strangers and movement.....ALL Animals Bite.....it is there only protection. there is no such thing as one that doesnt....
Even a barking dog inside your unit can have you removed from a campground......no one wants to here it bark all the time and then here someone scream shut up right after it barks......
This is an observation from my prospective.....several camping areas I have worked in ,I have had to ask the owners to pack up and leave do to there dogs.
I am A Dog owner, Nikki Travels Everywhere I go and I am subjected to this all the time.....Nikki is a Service dog and has her privileges but I know She will bite. and her natural instincts as a dog will appear...no matter how well trained a dog is things happen
I find that dogs are like firearms in a campground.......all rules pertaining to them are in black and white and there is no deviation from them. They have been abused so bad by people inserting there thoughts on how they should be handled that good dog owners suffer from it.
good luck.....but my opinion is that just the word pit bull will cause problems......adding the words protection will make it worse....and asking the words Why will have the counter person asking you to leave.
I think it will be difficult to find campgrounds that will allow you to stay there with a pit bull. Many campgrounds do not allow pit bulls, Akitas, etc. There are cities that do not allow pit bulls within city limits. It's unfortunate that horrible people who have mistreated pit bulls have given them a bad reputation.
Labs ARE wonderful but check for hip problems as they have been so inbred that it could be a problem. Although you go out in whatever kind of weather to take care of your dog, it's good for you and they are good company. We keep a towel by the door for feet for inclement weather. We travel with a puppy and a cat. Pup thinks cat is her personal squeak toy. Put pup in her pen when we leave and she doesn't bark although cat loves to stroll by and sit two feet from pen to tease her.
Dogs are also a good way to start a conversation with other campers who are dog friendly.
I would add a can of wasp spray at the door and a firearm (if you so desire)
Simple add on craigslist might give you a new pal and be able to rehome a suffering animal!!.......without having to jump thru hoops and such just to do it!!!
I'm an animal lover as well, but can't imagine full-timing with a Pitty. Between my daughter and I we have 4 cats and 4 dogs, but they're all getting well up in years. My Dane will likely not see next spring and the Yorkie I inherited when my Mom passed is 10. As much as I love them all I'll be glad when they're gone. IF I ever decided to have a dog while on the road it would be something in the Beagle/fox terrier size range. I may be traveling with a cat, Mr. Kitty is a stray that wandered into the farm in MN 6 years ago as an adult, so he's no spring chicken either. I will have Marley, who is just under a year old and has a life expectancy of about 20 years. Perfect pet for a full-timer... don't have to walk him or clean a litter box, never barks when left alone, just give him some water and feed him once a week. I'm not too sure how good he'd be at fending off intruders though. LOL
Nice snake!
OKAY, you guys are talking me out of this idea. One concern I've had, is what to do if I am selling stuff at a flea market? A dog babysitter for a day or two could wipe out the profit (here in Sonoma County, doggie day care is $50-60 or more per day, private individuals, minimum of $25)
I do have Sparky the Zebra finch, and Alpha, the crippled Canary. Very cute, and self sufficient! But lousy at guard duty, and they won't play fetch or sit on my lap.
We now travel with 2 Australian Terriers. They also love to travel and have been going with us since puppies. They do tend to bark, but again leaving them with a radio and a fan on to cover outside noise
has seemed to do the job. Sleeping in their kennels while we are exploring places where dogs aren't welcome hasn't limited our adventures. Lots of places have no problems with dogs as long as they are on a leash and well behaved. Training for any dog is a must; you don't want a spoiled brat for a child or for a pet! Be considerate, clean up after your pet and be aware that not everyone likes dogs, so restrict your dog's interaction with others until you know they enjoy a dogs company and have ok'ed their presence. Never leave them outside alone! Dogs make great companions, but require a lot of attention and work on your part, but the unconditional love they give is so worth it. Just my 2 cents. :)
As for Pit Bulls, most every RV park we were in didn't allow Pit Bulls. And many had weight limits.. But even in those parks after the manager met Montana he was always allowed to stay.
We have retired from Rving and I wouldn't get another pet if we were Rving. But thats just my opinion. To really take care of your furr kids it takes a lot of your time and energy, and the cost of Vets is very expensive, but your furr kid has to be treated like you kid. But I will never regret a minute I had with my Montana. Happy Trails....
As a former insurance agent I will tell you insurance companies frown on what they consider violent dogs. I have some friends that had a pit bull and she was the sweetest thIng. (Like people it is how they are raised).
Hina we have been traveling with 3 parrots and will now be 5 as we just rescued two more. Our feathered babies are great watchdogs. Our African grey can bark, meow, and terrorize any intruder. Our other birds growl when someone they don't know comes near the RV. Best of all in bad weather they like to be inside hanging out with mommy and daddy.
My law enforcement friends have told me that ANY dog barking, even a Chihuahua, will reduce the chances of a break in by 20%.
Burglars want three things, concealment, quiet, solitude once inside.
A barking dog, regardless of breed, takes away two of those three things.
If you want a dog, have a dog. Since you say you've got a Xolo you know all about the needs of a dog. As MarkS has said if you are alert and pay attention to your surroundings the safety/protection issue should not be one. Many have correctly stated that many campgrounds will not accept Pits and that is their call. I just read online somewhere that Pits are being impounded and put down at the border to some provinces of Canada(sorry don't recall the source) so, if true, then that would be something to keep in mind in your travels if Canada is in your plans. Properly treated and trained any dog will be a joy to you and provide the affection and companionship that they all provide their Alpha's.
As you can see from our avatar and FWIW we have a wonderful beagle, at 30 pounds she is active and alert and a great watchdog and awesome companion that give us joy everyday. She rarely barks but will when alerted to outside noises but quickly settles down and properly lets us know when somebody is at the door.(will bey at the tornado sirens--what a laugh riot)
She travels well and is very social and friendly to all. What else could anyone ask for?
Hi Debbie, I am in southern Nevada, don't plan on being near NorCal for another month or two.
I would just like to give a word or two on behalf of the 'Pitbull', Jay and I rescued "Bella" from the local no-kill shelter here in Nov' last year, she had been bred as a bait dog, she was very timid, shy and scared of her own shadow!
We have taken her to 3 different RV parks so far, we have had no issues at any of them, she looks like a pitbull and weighs around 50 pounds, on her vet papers her breed says she is an American Staffordshire terrier, although we have never been asked by an RV park host to show them.
Bella is the darling of our present RV park, everyone loves her, she is not aggressive and any time she meets new people she lays down to let them rub her tummy. I doubt she would make a good guard dog, she is just too friendly.
Any dog is a big commitment, but please don't be put off pitbulls, it's usually the owner that is the one to blame for the behaviour (good or bad) of the dog.
huggs Kim x
I adopted a dog last year. His name is Toto, and he is a Mexican Hairless.
Sherry
your never the odd out Jane.......I've been stalking you on you tube
You have really good idea's and should share them ........remember ,it might be odd in a small group , but this is the internet and billions are out here and thousands are reading just you!!!!!!
Sherry
Toto has made leaps and bounds. In the last two weeks, he has lost his fear of strangers, and I feel OK about letting people approach him (or now, him approaching people) He's decided RV people are OK, they treat him kindly, and often have dog treats! He made friends with some nice people from Pennsylvania, and their 95 lb Labradoodle, who were parked next door for 10 days. I think he wanted to jump in their RV, and drive away! (They never say no, or scold me!) Since then, he has been much better around strangers. He's also losing some of his fear of bigger dogs.
Toto has also learned to come when I call him off leash, and has proven himself to be quite the athlete! Runs like a greyhound, and leaps over bushes while chasing rabbits. He's calming down, getting better, but still a "different" dog, due to the primitive nature of the breed.
Who needs a dog
Just get an attack cat They are easier to take care of and you can leave for a day or two and they are fine.
Just get a cat like this one http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/05/14/cat-dog-attack-bakersfield-california/9084549/
Our cats on the other hand would probably just watch us get attacked with popcorn for the show
Wendy
Lucky Mark.
I too have an AKK. He travels very well, back seat and asleep. We traveled across the country with our 5th wheel. Stayed at RV parks, no issues. My wife and I are getting ready to Full Time, with a base in Tx.
Pit Bulls are one of the most common rescue dogs, commonly not wanted at RV parks, low on the RV suitability list, and "in general, with exceptions" good at making big problems for their owners. One park states "The following breeds are NEVER permitted at any time: Chow, Staffordshire terrier (pit bull), Rottweiler, and Bull Mastiff."
I think that an owner would need to exercise a higher degree of seriousness about their individual Pit Bull choice than say an individual Min Pin owner. I think that owning a Staff, despite 3 good experiences, still has problem potentials as knowledge catches up and Staff are commonly considered the equivalent to a Pit Bull, fairly or unfairly.
You know or think you know your dog, and they don't. And if they ask you if you have a particular dog or ask you to sign off that you don't have a particular dog, you are assuming a lot of financial risk if you "maneuver around the issue" as well as putting your fellow RVers at risk.
What wasn't talked about was buying a pure breed dog. The advantage is that pure breed dogs tend to follow their breed tendencies, whereas a rescue dog is an unknown. Since the failure to match a dog to its owner is a key reason for the dog losing its home, it is something to consider. I would be a bit concerned about the reason listed by the prior owner - many people just don't want to say anything that would reflect badly on them.
Not too many owners want to pay, say $800 and up, to then put a pure breed dog out of the home. Nope, not many of those in shelters.
One issue not mentioned is that the rescue concept is becoming a bit of an ideological land mine and it is my understanding that some potential dog owners are bypassing the rescue dogs because of the adoption process, in general, with lots of exceptions of course.
Tough decision, but so are the reality decisions of living in an RV. Easy to dream and not think it through, or research it deeply.
By the way, a service dog is a well trained dog and so should a protection dog be well trained. Can't easily imagine someone rescuing a dog, then shelling out big bucks for professional dog protection training, but am sure it does happen.
"Dogs are who they are. Some tendencies are normal for all dogs, but are enhanced in certain breeds, or certain traits were selected for when those breeds were being developed...If you have a terrier or herding dog, he probably barks a lot and loudly. That's the dog you chose. Ideally, you researched the breed thoroughly before you chose it and can accept a certain amount of your dog's natural doggieness. If you didn't research the breed before you chose it, do it now, for a better understanding of your dog's natural tendencies, if nothing else. You are not ever going to train the instincts out of your dog, but you can learn how to manage your dog and modify or channel some of the behavior.
Dog Aggression
Some breeds have been selectively bred for fighting, often with other dogs. Although some individual dogs in the fighting breeds get along fine with other dogs, many don't, and serious injury or death can result from negligent handling of seriously dog-aggressive dogs. Training can help get control of the dog and teach him an alternate behavior to instigating fights, at least with his owner present, but good management is a big part of living with any dog that has a hard-wired or genetic tendency to fight with other dogs. Owners of dogs that are aggressive to other dogs are smart to work with an experienced trainer to help them modify their dog's behavior."
www.netplaces.com/dog-obedience/special-dogs-special-issues/breed-tendencies-and-individual-personalities.htm
(Note: it is my understanding that mix breeds tend to take the tendencies of one of the breed mixed in. I think that is known as pot luck.)
It's not that I don't trust the dog.. Thats a given.. I don't trust the owner.. having control, letting it get loose, or to big for a skinny gal to even hold back.
From: www.dogchannel.com/about-american-pit-bull-terriers/is-a-pit-bull-right-for-me.aspx
Who should not have a Pit Bull? Bobbitt’s list of bad-owner characteristics includes those who think Pit Bulls are good at guarding people and property. “The American Pit Bull Terrier is not a guardian breed,” she says. “Pit Bulls were not bred to be man-biters, and in the history of the breed the Pit Bulls who did bite were put down right away. If you want a guard dog, choose something else. Many Pit Bulls will help the robber carry out the goods. Pit Bulls are a people-loving breed.”
Jerianne Brown, a breeder from Pennsylvania, believes that prospective owners should have “time and energy to devote to the Pit Bull [and be] willing to give plenty of opportunities for exercise, willing to leave breeding to the experts, and to properly train and socialize the Pit Bull.”
Carol Gaines, a long time APBT breeder and judge, says her wish list for a prospective Pit Bull owner includes “someone who is a responsible dog owner, someone who has studied the breed or knows someone who can help them understand the breed and what kind of reputation Pit Bulls have gotten from the press and the irresponsible Pit Bull owner.”
Maybe people loving.. I don't know.. but they are not animal lovers.. Not with other dogs or animals. They will attack and bite.. and when you get in the middle, they will bite you too.
We have a pitbull fulltiming with us for a year while our son finishes college. My son rescued a pit bull puppy when he was helping at a shelter. He learned a lot about the breed and eventually adopted one. He was neutered at 6 mos. I came from a family that raised black labs for hunting. I was very uncomfortable at first around Hurley (the pitbull). When my son's college housing changed, Hurley came to live with us and has been with us the past 4 years. He just turned 5. I have come a long way about pitbull thinking. I cannot speak for all pitbulls, or all pitbull owners. But Hurley is very gentle and a sweet dog. He gets along great with other dogs. Better with big dogs as he just wants to play with them, but he does get along fine with little dogs and puppies too. He is very good with people. He is more wary of men, but once he knows you for a minute and/or you are friendly with him, he is fine. No one can guarantee what their dog will or will not do. Any responsible dog owner should always evaluate every situation with their dog and err on the side of making others comfortable in normal situations.
We are now fulltime and I wasn't sure of taking him with us for many of the reasons listed below. I don't want anyone to feel uncomfortable with him around. I am a smaller gal. He is strong, but I can handle him fine. He is quite obedient. As far as campgrounds not allowing him, it's been my experience that mostly private parks have that rule. Most state/county/COE/etc will allow ANY dog as long as it is not threatening to others. ANY breed can be asked to leave if it is aggressive to others, as it should be. Since June 2 of the parks we stayed at were private. I called ahead of time and asked specifically about pitbulls. They both allowed him. He loves being a "trailer dog". He travels well in the truck and 5th wheel. When I walk him, I am always mindful of others. I will shorten his leash when passing others and move off the trail. I have surprisingly found that whether I'm on a trail or walking around a campground, most people have been very welcoming of him and say very nice things about him.
I can tell you, he is very well behaved. When we walk around the campground, it is all the little dogs that bark non-stop until we are out of sight. Hurley just ignores them. When around other friend's little dogs, they are always the ones that want to snap at him, not the other way around. This past trip, one of the two Chihuahuas got used to him and tolerated him. The other, well, he didn't even like other people either.