Before You Buy RV (BYBRV) is the first ever application designed expressly for vehicle buyers and dealers. BYBRV verifies RV purchase compatibility to ensure no more sleepless nights after a tow vehicle or trailer is purchased.
BYBRV is a FREE web based app formatted for Smartphones and larger devices.
-- Edited by Cyclone Dave on Friday 1st of March 2013 12:38:18 AM
Cyclone Dave said
08:56 AM Mar 1, 2013
bigboomer wrote:
Very nice....does it come with a sexy voice to tell you that what you are about to do will not work?
Hmm... That's an interesting idea. That may be possible. On the other hand, very few liked the talking cars. :)
-- Edited by Cyclone Dave on Friday 1st of March 2013 08:57:37 AM
bigboomer said
01:56 PM Mar 1, 2013
Very nice....does it come with a sexy voice to tell you that what you are about to do will not work?
Cyclone Dave said
05:35 PM Mar 1, 2013
Raytronx wrote:
Nice app by the way.
Ray
Thanks Ray, I was begining to think I posted the wrong information.
-- Edited by Cyclone Dave on Friday 1st of March 2013 05:36:00 PM
Lucky Mike said
06:52 PM Mar 1, 2013
I had one of those Talking Cars...(sounded like my mother inlaw)
Do you have something with Homer Simpson.....!!!!
MarkS said
10:52 PM Mar 1, 2013
My GPS has C3PO and R2D2. Maybe Siri has a suggestion!
nightsky said
11:37 PM Mar 1, 2013
@ you guys! My GPS is named Gertrude. I don't know about your voices, but Gertie seems to sound a bit more annoyed everytime she says "recalculating" as I veer off course to check out something that catches my eye. hehehe
PIEERE said
11:53 PM Mar 1, 2013
I don't know how many times I threatened to throw "LUCY" out the window when I was picking-up and delivering golf carts in DC and Maryland. One of these days--------Lucy! She's retired now!!!! LOL!!!
Lucky Mike said
11:55 PM Mar 1, 2013
If I told you the names I call my GPS......they would Block me from coming on the Forum!!!!!!
Terry and Jo said
12:48 AM Mar 2, 2013
Our first vehicle with a mapping system in it was a Ford Explorer. It was roughly 30 miles from our dealership to our home. The voice didn't make it all the way home. Jo reached up and searched for and found a way to make "Chatty Cathy" shut up. (Mind you, I know nothing about dolls, so it was Jo's name for "the voice.")
Terry
Raytronx said
01:23 AM Mar 2, 2013
Anne does the navigation and she says if she talks in a nice soothing voice with a slight British accent I listen and follow directions much better.
Nice app by the way.
Ray
PIEERE said
01:49 AM Mar 2, 2013
No you posted the right info; Dave. We just some of the time get a little carried away with our humorous antics.
Terry and Jo said
03:35 AM Mar 2, 2013
David,
If I may, please allow me to suggest something. That suggestion would be for the potential buyer to use the application instead of allowing a vehicle or RV dealer from putting in the data for calculation. As a former salesman and manager in a sales environment, I fully know that "some" dealers/salesmen might very well put in fabricated data, or at least, just an estimated weight capacity in order to make a sale.
When I did my research, I was constantly making notes of weights so that when re-calculating later, I had the data myself instead of trying to "remember what the dealer said" it was.
From what I read at the linked website, it does appear that they are also advising that people also find out the gross axle weight rating for the truck. That is a good thing from my view of things.
Terry
Cyclone Dave said
11:12 PM Mar 3, 2013
KellyVA wrote:
Probably a dumb question but here goes: I can find the GCWR on our truck but I can't find the GVW, Is there a place I'm not looking? So far I've looked in the book and inside the drivers door but nowhere is there a GVW. Thanks much! Kelly
The GVWR should be on the Certification Label near the driver's side door. Here is an example of a Dodge. If for some odd reason you can't find it on there, try the Tow Ratings and Guides page.
-- Edited by Cyclone Dave on Sunday 3rd of March 2013 11:16:36 PM
Cyclone Dave said
11:38 PM Mar 3, 2013
Terry and Jo wrote:
David,
If I may, please allow me to suggest something. That suggestion would be for the potential buyer to use the application instead of allowing a vehicle or RV dealer from putting in the data for calculation. As a former salesman and manager in a sales environment, I fully know that "some" dealers/salesmen might very well put in fabricated data, or at least, just an estimated weight capacity in order to make a sale.
When I did my research, I was constantly making notes of weights so that when re-calculating later, I had the data myself instead of trying to "remember what the dealer said" it was.
From what I read at the linked website, it does appear that they are also advising that people also find out the gross axle weight rating for the truck. That is a good thing from my view of things.
Terry
Hi Terry,
You do have a valid point about the dealers. I've tossed that thought around too. That is a risk. So far majority of dealers haven't even cared about the app. I have posed as a potential buyer a few times and none of the dealers were interested in the app. On one website that I visit, I've had a few dealers respond positively to the app. For certain the app is better suited for the buyer. None-the-less, I hope dealers will get the message that the normal way of checking towing compatibility is not fool proof and that the standard towing guides are not enough. Wasted high hopes? Maybe so.
For the novice or first time RV buyer, BYBRV is the best and only app that will ensure, if used as instructed, that the purchase is load rating compatible.
-- Edited by Cyclone Dave on Sunday 3rd of March 2013 11:40:27 PM
Cyclone Dave said
11:55 PM Mar 3, 2013
KellyVA wrote:
Ok, so this states we can only tow 12,100 pounds safely. The 5th wheel hitch is rated 18,000 pounds is there something I'm missing? I hope so or we are seriously up the creek without a paddle.
If you correctly input the numbers as instructed, then that is correct. I don't know enough about the particulars of your truck to help you from this end. But my hunch for your 05 truck is the results aren't wrong. If you want to, let me know what numbers you used and tell me more about your truck and I’ll check it over for you.
-- Edited by Cyclone Dave on Monday 4th of March 2013 12:29:05 AM
KellyVA said
07:01 AM Mar 4, 2013
Probably a dumb question but here goes: I can find the GCWR on our truck but I can't find the GVW, Is there a place I'm not looking? So far I've looked in the book and inside the drivers door but nowhere is there a GVW. Thanks much! Kelly
KellyVA said
07:35 AM Mar 4, 2013
Found it...thank you!
KellyVA said
07:42 AM Mar 4, 2013
Ok, so this states we can only tow 12,100 pounds safely. The 5th wheel hitch is rated 18,000 pounds is there something I'm missing? I hope so or we are seriously up the creek without a paddle.
KellyVA said
08:22 AM Mar 4, 2013
Sent you some PM's about our rig Dave. Thanks for any info. you can pass on. :)
Terry and Jo said
04:24 PM Mar 4, 2013
Just to touch on another aspect of "weight determination," the rear axle ratio of a truck will also have some effect on how heavy of a trailer one can pull. As an example, on our 2008 Ford F450, there were two different rear axle ratios that were used. The ratio of 4:30 on the rear axle had a GCVW of 29,000 lbs and a "towing weight" of 20,500 lbs for a two wheel drive truck. If the same truck had the 4:88 rear axle ratio, the GCVW went up to 33,000 lbs and the "towing weight" was listed as 24,500 lbs.
Now, with all that said, not every truck manufacturer gives one the option of buying/ordering a truck with different axle ratios, so the phone application will certainly work in those cases. In fact, they may all be that way as the newer F450's all seem to have the 4:30 rear ratio. Thus, the data provided by the dealers should be usable.
Terry
KellyVA said
07:52 PM Mar 4, 2013
I think we are good...whew! That was not a fun ride at all!! :)
Cyclone Dave said
06:55 AM Mar 5, 2013
The BYBRV app works for any vehicle, any size all the time. All calculations are measured using the manufacture’s load ratings as stated on the certification label, the manufacture’s listed GCWR and the scaled weight of the vehicle. The exception may be MDTs and HDTs. I haven’t studied those vehicles.
It does not matter to the BYBRV app what the vehicle’s engine is, or the transmission is, or the axle ratio is or anything else you want to add to the list. The capacity capability of the components of any vehicle is calculated into the load ratings. Ratings and scaled weight is all anyone needs to determine if a vehicle is capable of towing a prospective trailer.
For someone to say that engine X is so powerful it will tow anything will someday realize some costly repairs. If the drive train/axle system is only rated for 16K, then that’s all it’s rated for. Anyone can modify the engine all they want, but that does not change the certification ratings or increase the towing capacity. Ratings are calculated on the weakest link in the system. To continually overtax a vehicle by exceeding the ratings will eventually result in a failure.
Before You Buy RV (BYBRV) is the first ever application designed expressly for vehicle buyers and dealers. BYBRV verifies RV purchase compatibility to ensure no more sleepless nights after a tow vehicle or trailer is purchased.
BYBRV is a FREE web based app formatted for Smartphones and larger devices.
Lean more at: http://BYBRV.info
-- Edited by Cyclone Dave on Friday 1st of March 2013 12:38:18 AM
Hmm... That's an interesting idea. That may be possible. On the other hand, very few liked the talking cars. :)
-- Edited by Cyclone Dave on Friday 1st of March 2013 08:57:37 AM
Very nice....does it come with a sexy voice to tell you that what you are about to do will not work?
Thanks Ray, I was begining to think I posted the wrong information.
-- Edited by Cyclone Dave on Friday 1st of March 2013 05:36:00 PM
Do you have something with Homer Simpson.....!!!!
Our first vehicle with a mapping system in it was a Ford Explorer. It was roughly 30 miles from our dealership to our home. The voice didn't make it all the way home. Jo reached up and searched for and found a way to make "Chatty Cathy" shut up. (Mind you, I know nothing about dolls, so it was Jo's name for "the voice.")
Terry
Nice app by the way.
Ray
David,
If I may, please allow me to suggest something. That suggestion would be for the potential buyer to use the application instead of allowing a vehicle or RV dealer from putting in the data for calculation. As a former salesman and manager in a sales environment, I fully know that "some" dealers/salesmen might very well put in fabricated data, or at least, just an estimated weight capacity in order to make a sale.
When I did my research, I was constantly making notes of weights so that when re-calculating later, I had the data myself instead of trying to "remember what the dealer said" it was.
From what I read at the linked website, it does appear that they are also advising that people also find out the gross axle weight rating for the truck. That is a good thing from my view of things.
Terry
The GVWR should be on the Certification Label near the driver's side door. Here is an example of a Dodge. If for some odd reason you can't find it on there, try the Tow Ratings and Guides page.
-- Edited by Cyclone Dave on Sunday 3rd of March 2013 11:16:36 PM
Hi Terry,
You do have a valid point about the dealers. I've tossed that thought around too. That is a risk. So far majority of dealers haven't even cared about the app. I have posed as a potential buyer a few times and none of the dealers were interested in the app. On one website that I visit, I've had a few dealers respond positively to the app. For certain the app is better suited for the buyer. None-the-less, I hope dealers will get the message that the normal way of checking towing compatibility is not fool proof and that the standard towing guides are not enough. Wasted high hopes? Maybe so.
For the novice or first time RV buyer, BYBRV is the best and only app that will ensure, if used as instructed, that the purchase is load rating compatible.
-- Edited by Cyclone Dave on Sunday 3rd of March 2013 11:40:27 PM
If you correctly input the numbers as instructed, then that is correct. I don't know enough about the particulars of your truck to help you from this end. But my hunch for your 05 truck is the results aren't wrong. If you want to, let me know what numbers you used and tell me more about your truck and I’ll check it over for you.
-- Edited by Cyclone Dave on Monday 4th of March 2013 12:29:05 AM
I can find the GCWR on our truck but I can't find the GVW, Is there a place I'm not looking? So far I've looked in the book and inside the drivers door but nowhere is there a GVW.
Thanks much! Kelly
Just to touch on another aspect of "weight determination," the rear axle ratio of a truck will also have some effect on how heavy of a trailer one can pull. As an example, on our 2008 Ford F450, there were two different rear axle ratios that were used. The ratio of 4:30 on the rear axle had a GCVW of 29,000 lbs and a "towing weight" of 20,500 lbs for a two wheel drive truck. If the same truck had the 4:88 rear axle ratio, the GCVW went up to 33,000 lbs and the "towing weight" was listed as 24,500 lbs.
Now, with all that said, not every truck manufacturer gives one the option of buying/ordering a truck with different axle ratios, so the phone application will certainly work in those cases. In fact, they may all be that way as the newer F450's all seem to have the 4:30 rear ratio. Thus, the data provided by the dealers should be usable.
Terry
It does not matter to the BYBRV app what the vehicle’s engine is, or the transmission is, or the axle ratio is or anything else you want to add to the list. The capacity capability of the components of any vehicle is calculated into the load ratings. Ratings and scaled weight is all anyone needs to determine if a vehicle is capable of towing a prospective trailer.
For someone to say that engine X is so powerful it will tow anything will someday realize some costly repairs. If the drive train/axle system is only rated for 16K, then that’s all it’s rated for. Anyone can modify the engine all they want, but that does not change the certification ratings or increase the towing capacity. Ratings are calculated on the weakest link in the system. To continually overtax a vehicle by exceeding the ratings will eventually result in a failure.