My husband and I are planning our FT lifestyle for after retirement. Just started researching in the past couple months. Had our head set to do a 5th wheel and a diesel F350. The idea being that we can always unload our 5th wheel at a destinitaion and can mineuver around in that area with the truck. Thing is, we do also enjoy the idea of the fun it can be to travel (drive) while hanging out in our house per say. PLus we was thinking we own our Honda accord and only would need to tow which maybe can save money that ways too since no matter how we do this we would have to take out loans to do this except for the car if we pulled it. At any rate, maybe if we can hear other peoples thoughts on their experiences or even thoughts of those that have not even begun would be great...
igotjam said
02:36 AM Sep 6, 2012
Have been full timing for 5+ years. Started in 5er and truck thinking powertrain problems would not sideline my home like a motorhome. As it turned out my 08 Ford needed a motor rebuild 3 times in 5 years so that part was a good decision. The rebuild took about a week each time. We also found that while doable, the big truck was a fuel hog and slightly unwieldy to use as a daily driver, so we got a small car to drive as well.(after a year on the road) We really like having the small fuel efficient car to drive so if we were to start over, the motorhome would receive more consideration. Not sure what the right answer is. We like what we have now (truck, 5er, and car) and likely won't change but everyone is different.
bjoyce said
02:46 AM Sep 6, 2012
If you go to the "Buying an RV" forum here and check topics about "Class A" you will find out a Class A is a bus-type motorhome. Sometimes people will talk about "DPs", which are diesel pusher Class A motorhomes as opposed to ones with gas engines (most of which are front engine). Lots of discussion over the years. BTW: A Class B is a van conversion and a Class C is a cab-over motorhome, normally built from a cutaway truck chassis.
Technomadia said
04:06 AM Sep 6, 2012
And there are actual RVs converted from bus shells (like ours). :)
Personally, we used to tow a smaller travel trailer as our full time home. And it was nice to unhitch the house, leave it set up and tour around in the tow vehicle. When we outgrew that and wanted something larger, our dividing line was that we didn't want to have any bigger of a truck for a daily driver than we already had. Which meant towable homes were out for us.
So we went with a bus conversion (motorhome) towing a small car... and have really enjoyed the versatility. So far, we've not had a problem with not being able to stay in our bus while it needs service.. but that is a valid concern. Some repair shops just won't allow it, but in talking with a good number of motorhome owners, usually it's doable and not as big of a problem as you might think.
It really comes down to your style of anticipated travel, I think. Do you enjoy driving a large truck all the time? Do you want more house space that a 5th wheel provides? Will you be parking for longer periods of time when that larger space is an advantage? Or do you envision you'll be in motion more, when being able to travel in your living room would be an advantage? (We love it.. it's awesome to get up and fix the driver a snack!).
I would also advise considering your first RV to be a trial... don't spend more than you could sell it for in a year after you've figured out how you travel. Because many of us don't guess right the first time :)
- Cherie
bjoyce said
04:54 AM Sep 6, 2012
Technically most real bus conversions are Class A motorhomes, except the few that are Class Cs. But there are reason the owners call themselves "Bus Nuts". Bus conversions are never done and the initial conversion can sometimes take years.
Lucky Mike said
09:25 AM Sep 6, 2012
Ok.........
Ive managed to do it again.......sold my class a before pulling out of the driveway. Twice so far this year my coach sits there and somebody makes an offer for alot more than I paid and ....POOF , Its gone.
I get to move up a few notches and get a bigger better unit but where does my luck run out.......treatment ends in Dec. (Knock on Wood!!) and all the doctors agreeing, Im outa here!!
I loved visiting New hampshire but this is the longest layover Ive ever had!!!!! (1 year to date!)
Now my question is......is there an area that Class a pushers .....40 - 45 ft, seem to sell cheaper durring the snow season, I watch Ebay, and most of the major sites for what im looking for any input would be greatly valued!!!
-- Edited by Lucky Mike on Thursday 6th of September 2012 09:26:48 AM
sunflwrgirl said
03:41 PM Sep 6, 2012
Thank you everyone for sharing. We are thinking that the "class A" would be most fun. Like Techno says, it would be fun to get up and make the driver a snack. ;D However, we was thinking that the the 5er with a truck would be more efficient. In one side it technically isn't since we would be making payments on both as opposed to if we just buy the Class A then we already own our car..
We say we are not planning to travel from one spot to another. Say when we visit family we stay with them maybe a a month or two. But then we both believe that camping parks might only be for a couple weeks and boondocking possibly the same. But I think in reality, we wont know how long we last in one spot until we are there for a day or so. No sense in planning that stuff all out huh. ;p Don't want to take away the freedom of this lifestyle ;D
Really what this all boils down too is that however we decide to do this we want to go big and only do it one time. With hopes to last us for as long as we can last in this life. In our minds, this would be our final home before a nursing home per say ;)
Jack Mayer said
03:46 PM Sep 6, 2012
IMO it boils down to a personal preference thing.....there is no substantial advantage of one type of RV over another, for most people and most situations. For every "advantage" one shows a motorhome has, I can show how a properly set up 5er has the same capabilities. In all areas of any substance.
As you continue to look at RVs you will gradually discover what meets your personal preference.....
We have had both, and right now a 5er meets our needs best.
Lucky Mike said
03:53 PM Sep 6, 2012
I guess it like it is always said:
Go to the shows , Dealers lots......go inside the units , sit down ....move around look long and hard.......this is going to be your home, Pretend its raining or cold for extended periods.....can you enjoy yourself in there!!
You are right....expenses are generated by how much and how far you move. But the type of unit you use ....5vr....Trailer or class a is how you decide home should be!!.................and we all have an opinion ,lucky for you only yours will count...........
Remember........shop long and hard , this is going to be home and even if you find a real good deal......you worked hard for your money, and it is always easier to buy an rv than it is to sell or trade up.........
"Matters of choice....Always teach good lessons no matter how hard you study!!"
Here are some things to check when buying an RV. Each is important. Take the time to do these things and in doing so you will help ensure you get an RV that will work for you -- not against you!
Determine storage space. Is it adequate for your needs? Is there a place for your golf clubs or other large items?
Inspect cupboards: Are they deep enough to accommodate a standard-sized dinner plate? How are they put together – screwed, nailed, stapled? Do they feel solid or flimsy?
Sit a while in chairs and on the couch. Are they comfortable? Does the easy chair and/or couch have good head support?
Where is the built-in TV (or where would you place a portable one)? Can you see it without straining your neck?
Lie on the bed. Is it comfortable? Is it roomy enough for two? Is it long enough so your feet don’t hang out?
Sit on the toilet. Can you do so with the door closed? When you stand up, do you bang your head on a cabinet? Is there, in fact, a cabinet in the bathroom? How about a soap dish in the shower stall?
Where will you place a wastebasket? Is there an out-of-the-way space that will easily accommodate it?
Check heater vents. How many are there? Where are they? Is there one in the bathroom (incredibly, sometimes there is not). Is the heater itself powerful enough to heat the rig? And how about the air conditioner? Is it adequate?
Are there enough stove burners? And how about kitchen counter space?
Check for electrical outlets. How many are there? Do the locations make sense?
Ask about insulation. The RV may be warm and cozy the day you look at it, but what about on a 30-degree night?
Lean against inside walls. Is there any give? Is the plywood about 1/4 inch thick at best? If so, you’re dealing with a cheaply made unit.
Learn how much weight the RV can carry. Look for a notice inside the rig (often inside a wardrobe door) that tells its net carrying capacity — the maximum weight the RV can carry without overloading it. This is sometimes noted as the CCC. You will be amazed at how many RVs are so heavy for their chassis that there is little room for anything else without dangerously overloading a rig. Make sure the RV can carry you, your family and your stuff.
Check on the outside of the RV, usually right near the door, for the seal of the RVIA. If its there, you can be sure the unit was made according to standards set by the Recreation Vehicle Industry Association. If there is no such seal, do not buy the RV.
Edit by moderator: Resized the text in the list. Sorry, Mike, but I was about to go blind..... Terry
-- Edited by Lucky Mike on Thursday 6th of September 2012 04:21:26 PM
-- Edited by Terry and Jo on Thursday 6th of September 2012 07:15:56 PM
Gary said
03:58 PM Sep 6, 2012
We've been looking at 5er's and Airstreams, leaning towards the 5er right now, mainly for the space.
As for getting up to make the driver a snack in a moving motorhome, that's not advisable. Think about what happens if the driver has to mash on the breaks or make a quick maneuver in a tight/emergency situation. Where's the "snack maker" going along with anything that has been taken out to make said snack. Anything not put where it's supposed to be, including the snack maker, become missiles in a panic stop. That knife that was out......
Safety, Safety, Safety!
sunflwrgirl said
09:10 PM Sep 6, 2012
I do agree very much with you Gary about moving around. Had not really thought to much of that actually. Thank you for your input and keeping it real. Ok, so maybe someone can help me with this question. Which way is most efficient, the truck and the 5er or the class A? Mind you we only own a car at the moment. We have an Honda Ridgeline as well but had plan to sell that as it will not pull anything and would not be fuel efficient..
Lucky Mike said
09:19 PM Sep 6, 2012
I find a Class a , wether gas or diesel with a toad behind it or a 5vr with truck pulling it on a fuel expense is about the same per mile...
Engine wise overall maintenance......deisel requires less and normally has a longer life span
Class a has the faster spur of the moment ability to fit in when attempting to pull over and nap or boondock for short periods
Jo And Craig said
10:09 PM Sep 6, 2012
O.K., I'm still a wannabe, but I've been doing a LOT of "homework". Correct me, you long timers, if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the decision between a Class A or 5er (or TT) depend moreso on how one plans to live on the road rather than putting emphasis on fuel efficiency, for the most part? (IMHO, fuel efficiency can be comtrolled by not moving around so much.) In other words, isn't it more difficult to boondock with a Class A than a 5er, not to mention needing a larger space if in an RV park for a Class A? Just asking. Thanks.
GENECOP said
10:43 PM Sep 6, 2012
Mary, the decision Class A or Fifth is really specific to the individual, the criteria and level of importance is also specific to the individual. Fuel efficiency is NOT better in a Fifth or better in a Motorhome.....there are so many factors that dictate fuel economy and a blanket statement can not be made. Similarly with Boondocking, it all depends on the setup not the Rig.....
sunflwrgirl said
12:05 AM Sep 7, 2012
Again, thank you all for you help. I believe my husband and I have come to believe we need to go and spend the day at an rv lot to understand what is out there. Also looking over craigslist and such more too. Really would like to make the best choice first time around. However, maybe we are over thinking a tad too. It will all come together as needed in the end and we will be so happy for it too. Really excited to say one day that we too are beginning our life of FT ;)
sunflwrgirl said
12:08 AM Sep 7, 2012
@ Lucky mike thank you for adding such an extensive list. Also where do I look to find out where and when the "shows" are
Lucky Mike said
12:52 AM Sep 7, 2012
RV shows ,RV rallies in your search bar.............their are some very large ones thru out the country.......penn. has the largest coming up....
RVKevi said
02:04 AM Sep 7, 2012
Do spend some time at dealerships and/or rv shows. And when I say time, I mean hours. Spend lots of time in individual units, both the type you think you want and the types you think you don't want. You may surprise yourself. We thought we wanted a Class A, but in spending time in them, we realized we definitely preferred the fifth wheels. It's been said here many times, but pretend you are doing the things you will be doing, whether it is watching TV, cooking a meal, or taking a shower. (Yes, get in the shower, close the door, and pretend to take a shower!)
Terry and Jo said
02:27 AM Sep 7, 2012
Phyllis....and.....Jo (Mary Sunshine),
Do you sew or do crafts? My Jo has some sewing equipment, including an embroidery machine and we removed some furniture from our fifth wheel and built a cabinet for her sewing stuff. In fact, since purchasing our Mobile Suites, we've sold the original couch and recliners and replaced with other items. Then, Jo and I replaced some of the other stuff we had for the sewing cabinet. In addition, we sold the original dining room table and chairs and replaced them with the newer style that has a cabinet against the wall and a top that will pull out a bit to allow more room at the table.
We've even replaced our RV refrigerator with a residential French-style, two door with a drawer for the freezer. I'm not sure if we could have "customized" a motorhome as much as we did our fifth wheel.
Look at both fifth wheels and motorhomes to see if it looks like it would be possible for changes, should you think that might be an option. From what I've heard from "some" others, changes might be easier in a fifth wheel than in a Class A. Pay attention to where heat and a/c ducts are located. In any case with making changes, look at everything closely and really study.
Terry
Technomadia said
02:56 PM Sep 7, 2012
Mary Sunshine wrote:
O.K., I'm still a wannabe, but I've been doing a LOT of "homework". Correct me, you long timers, if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the decision between a Class A or 5er (or TT) depend moreso on how one plans to live on the road rather than putting emphasis on fuel efficiency, for the most part? (IMHO, fuel efficiency can be comtrolled by not moving around so much.) In other words, isn't it more difficult to boondock with a Class A than a 5er, not to mention needing a larger space if in an RV park for a Class A? Just asking. Thanks.
I've not ever owned a 5th wheel.... so can't do a direct comparison. But not sure how it would be necessarily easier to boondock in a 5th wheel than a Class-A? And as far as parking space, we've seen plenty of 5ths that are larger than some Class-As, plus having to find room to park their larger tow vehicle.
So many variables that it's really impossible to make such generalities.
But you are absolutely correct... the decision should come down to personal preference and style of travel. There is no easy right answer.
- Cherie
sunflwrgirl said
06:51 PM Sep 7, 2012
I don't sow or do crafts. Though I wish I could/would sow ;) However, I am seeing your thoughts on changing things in the camper. Had thought on it some but not allot. My thing I was thinking after reading your comment was, what if the couch needed changing or that we found a nicer recliner we wanted. How do you get them in and out the camper. The front door is entirely tooo small. ;p
Terry and Jo said
07:08 PM Sep 7, 2012
sunflwrgirl wrote:
I don't sow or do crafts. Though I wish I could/would sow ;) However, I am seeing your thoughts on changing things in the camper. Had thought on it some but not allot. My thing I was thinking after reading your comment was, what if the couch needed changing or that we found a nicer recliner we wanted. How do you get them in and out the camper. The front door is entirely tooo small. ;p
In the case of the original furniture, the backs came off of the recliners easily and the couch dismantled easily as it was really built kind of cheaply. We chose a La-Z-Boy Reclinaway love seat which also allows the backs to come off easily. Then it was just a matter of turning the seat part 1/4 turn so that the front part was up and it easily went in the door. I'm not sure what other furniture would allow the backs to come off but every La-Z-Boy we've had worked that way.
When we replaced the refrigerator, the doors on both the old and new ones had to be removed to be able to go in through the door. One just has to make sure one doesn't try to replace with something that is entirely too big.
Terry
Jo And Craig said
07:09 PM Sep 7, 2012
While I did not mention my reasoning, I was thinking in terms of weight. You guys have the experience, I don't, but to my way of thinking, I would not want to go off road and get stuck somewhere in a Class A, with nothing to pull it out other than a service. Another thing I look for is the size of the tanks because I do plan to do a lot of boondocking when the day comes. (Can't wait!!!!!)
Jo And Craig said
07:12 PM Sep 7, 2012
No, Terry, no more sewing for me! I made my own clothes when I was in Junior High and High School, but I guess I burned myself out. I can't even bring myself to sew on a button these days. Thank goodness my dear, sweet husband is a (retired) firefighter. He can sew on a 'mean' button!
Patiently awaiting Jo's report!
sunflwrgirl said
07:17 PM Sep 7, 2012
Terry and Jo wrote:
sunflwrgirl wrote:
I don't sow or do crafts. Though I wish I could/would sow ;) However, I am seeing your thoughts on changing things in the camper. Had thought on it some but not allot. My thing I was thinking after reading your comment was, what if the couch needed changing or that we found a nicer recliner we wanted. How do you get them in and out the camper. The front door is entirely tooo small. ;p
In the case of the original furniture, the backs came off of the recliners easily and the couch dismantled easily as it was really built kind of cheaply. We chose a La-Z-Boy Reclinaway love seat which also allows the backs to come off easily. Then it was just a matter of turning the seat part 1/4 turn so that the front part was up and it easily went in the door. I'm not sure what other furniture would allow the backs to come off but every La-Z-Boy we've had worked that way.
When we replaced the refrigerator, the doors on both the old and new ones had to be removed to be able to go in through the door. One just has to make sure one doesn't try to replace with something that is entirely too big.
Terry
The La Z boy will be our big thing. My husband is a firm believer he should have a nice recliner, even now. He is lazy by nature so I we (I.. lol) did not think that to be wise for him now. So I have made it a point to him that when we are rving he should by all means have his choice at the BEST recliner out there for him. Me, I want to enjoy the outdoors for all its worth and hopefully social with so many of you in person. I too am so anxious to begin this life. Feels like it will be forever, but we need to finish up on some loose ends first...
bjoyce said
10:58 PM Sep 7, 2012
Mary Sunshine wrote:
While I did not mention my reasoning, I was thinking in terms of weight. You guys have the experience, I don't, but to my way of thinking, I would not want to go off road and get stuck somewhere in a Class A, with nothing to pull it out other than a service. Another thing I look for is the size of the tanks because I do plan to do a lot of boondocking when the day comes. (Can't wait!!!!!)
I recently had a campfire discussion with some other RV friends and the subject of getting stuck came up. The subject came up since we were by the beach where many get stuck with cars, trucks, RVs, everything, including both the tow vehicle and trailer. One person was laughing about following a friend out into the boonies where the friend got both his truck and 5th wheel stuck in soft ground. The motorhome behind got stuck because they didn't stop fast enough. It was a real mess to get everything back on solid ground. They had to pull both the trailer and truck out at once since they couldn't get them apart. But first they had to pull the motorhome out to get to the truck and 5th wheel trailer.
Lucky Mike said
11:16 PM Sep 7, 2012
Yup!!!!!!!
Not in one Rv or tow unit did I ever see any recommendations for OFF THE ROAD USE........
I also noticed All the manufacturers are very polite and not once in any manual tried to explain the Word Stupid or Idiot,,,of course they are self explanatory.....................
Buzz said
02:38 AM Sep 8, 2012
Lucky Mike and Terry, Thank you so much for the great information listed on this post! We're taking notes and learning so much! Some of the things you've mentioned we've thought of , but certainly most of them we haven't. Thank you both again for sharing!
Buzz & Debbie
wmalefyt said
02:44 AM Sep 10, 2012
For what it's worth, having owned a Class A diesel pusher motorhome, I think they are more expensive to maintain than any other type of RV. Access to everything is tight so it takes longer to repair/replace things and at $90+ per hour for labor it gets expensive in a hurry. The same goes for parts as they tend to be more expensive than for gas powered vehicles. We enjoyed our Class A, but it just got too expensive to continue. We were not fulltimers, just recreational users at the time. We have also owned two Class C motorhomes and overall didn't have near as many problems with those. If we ever do go fulltime, it will be with a 5th wheel and a diesel powered pickup, probably Chevy or GMC, maybe RAM as I do like the Cummins engine.
WestWardHo said
05:13 PM Sep 10, 2012
Just my personal opinion, but we prefer 5ers to class A's. Class A's can be beautiful but they just feel like a bowling lane down the middle. Also I've never seen one with enough counter space. (Note: we dont have a lotin our current rig but we're not full timing so it works for us). Recommend a large refrigerator.
MandV said
02:28 AM Sep 14, 2012
Here's another thought on the 5er side. We have a "classic" truck (an '02 that I paid $16K for last year, but is in outstanding condition) and a new 5er (2013 model we just purchased). If you're not afraid of being out of warranty on half of your setup (we plan on keeping about $15K of emergency funds solely for the tow vehicle once we hit the road full time) this is somewhat of an advantage. With a motorhome, you're either buying all used or all new.
I see some peoples' points about having a fuel efficient toad to use for sightseeing. We've spent the last year using the dually as our "family car" to get used to parking it in different places and driving it to and from various daily activities.
NWescapee said
03:45 AM Oct 13, 2012
Great suggestions in this discussion, we had thougth we were pretty much decided that we wanted a Class A motorhome and a toad due to needing a vehicle to easily load in and out of the art shows we do for Dale's business. However, the more 5vers we go into (and we went into a LOT of them at a recent RV show), the more we're questioning our decision. We will continue to do 10-15 art shows a year while full timing which translates into 10-15 times where we'll need to unhitch, load the art show booth set up into the truck, set up the show, do the show, tear down from the show, load the truck and then unload the truck back into the storage area of the 5ver.
So, that has me concerned about the shows we do where it could be raining during load in / load out, how much stuff we have to transfer between trailer and truck, etc. Right now what we have would pretty easily fill the back of a normal min-van, so it's not a small amount of "stuff" and it includes weights for the booth and glass cases for the displays, so it's not real lightweight either.
Questions: 1 - can you store much in your truck while driving down the road with the 5ver hitched up? If so, that would help eliminate much of the tranferring of booth "stuff". 2 - If you can store stuff in the truck, is there anyway to protect it from the weather? 3 - Does a 5ver have as much outside storage as a class A?
Of course our other option is to go with the 5ver and have a separate vehicle that we drive for shows, grocery shopping, exploring, etc. Thanks in advance, I always seem to get good advice/suggestions or more ideas on this site!
Terry and Jo said
06:21 AM Oct 13, 2012
Dale and Ruth,
We have a fifth wheel and a Ford F450 with which to tow it. While it is pretty sizable in the rear seat, from what you describe, I'm not sure that the F450 would even be big enough to carry your stuff. Now, I am limited in knowing what it is that you take to shows, so I have no idea as to how much space you need.
We currently are still working towards retirement, so we also have a second vehicle which is a four-door (crew cab) Ford F150 with an ARE pickup bed topper. When we finally get to travel, it is likely that we won't travel very far in a day, so it would be no problem for Jo to drive the F150 while I tow the F450. That gives us the option of being able to carry heavier cargo in the F150 instead of in the basement of the trailer. When necessary, we can use the F150 as a "scout" vehicle to check out campgrounds and fuel stations for the best ways into those facilities.
With the F150 being a crew cab with a topper, we can carry items both in the rear seat area and in the bed. While I can't say this option will be best for your situation, it is something to consider. Something like the F150 will serve us for sightseeing or quick trips that we might need for other needs, such as a trip home to doctors or renewing licenses.
Good luck with your research.
Terry
53 Merc said
09:25 AM Oct 13, 2012
NWescapee wrote:
Terry - can you store anything in the bed of a truck with the 5ver attached? For example, we have the weights and the frame for the 10x10 canopy. I was wondering if those and a few other boxes/crates could be stored in the bed of the truck while traveling down the road.
I ain't Terry, but have you read most of Howard's early writings? He had a custom cover built for their F450. It zips around the hitch when towing and covers the bed when not towing. He had it recently repaired. They haul a lot of stuff in the bed, when they had the motor replaced, they had to move the Sea Eagles to the Jeep. So, yes, you can use tthe bed of the truck, but it takes some prep.
I used to carry an ice chest in the bed. Stored some awning lights it it. One day, the lid was not latched down correctly and the lights are now adorning some stretch of highway in Idaho. I just hope they like them and appreciate my attempt at beautification.
-- Edited by 53 Merc on Saturday 13th of October 2012 09:27:17 AM
NWescapee said
04:06 PM Oct 13, 2012
Terry - can you store anything in the bed of a truck with the 5ver attached? For example, we have the weights and the frame for the 10x10 canopy. I was wondering if those and a few other boxes/crates could be stored in the bed of the truck while traveling down the road.
Lucky Mike said
04:34 PM Oct 13, 2012
Depending on bed size...you can store in front and behind the 5th wheel plate up to the bed height....just remember for all that you put in in weight it will change the rear axle carry capacity total.....all that weight and the pin weight will now be placed on your tow vehicles rear end.......you could be over axle weight before you pull out of the driveway
if you decide to do it that way it is very important (its important anyway) to scale out all axles on any coach or 5vr ....being overloaded becomes a major safety issue , it also causes damage to your units and places excessive tire wear and poor handling of the vehicle.
Terry and Jo said
06:22 PM Oct 13, 2012
NWescapee wrote:
Terry - can you store anything in the bed of a truck with the 5ver attached? For example, we have the weights and the frame for the 10x10 canopy. I was wondering if those and a few other boxes/crates could be stored in the bed of the truck while traveling down the road.
Yes, but caution must be used as to what is there and how light in weight it is. We used to have a small plastic step stool that I kept in the bed of the truck which I could reach over and get and use to stand on to get better leverage for pulling the fifth wheel latch. One time we added a portable waste disposal tank (blue boy) into the bed and the change in wind currents because of that sent that step stool out somewhere near Hinton, OK.
Before we start traveling, I plan on installing a combination tool box/fuel tank in the front of the F450 so I can store some of my tools in the box instead of being in either the fifth wheel's basement or the back of the F150. I suspect that I will also carry my multi-ladder in the F450 as well and save the covered space in the F150 for items that I would prefer not getting wet. The topper we bought is a little taller than a straight roofline topper. (See image below.)
The bed covers like Howard and Linda have are also very nice, but might be a problem if one needs something from the bed while traveling. For instance, if one needed a ladder that was stored in bed of the tow vehicle, it might be more difficult to retrieve from the bed.
Terry
pitbull said
08:56 PM Oct 23, 2012
Hi Sunflwrgirl Lots of great opinions on pros and cons. We have had trailers, 5ers and MHs. The trailors were spacious but a pain to tow. 5ers great to tow but awful to run tow vehicle on daily basis. This has been mentioned. MH great but I hate pulling a toad. We now have a Damon Outlaw 37ft MH toy carrier. For us its great. I can pull in anywhere and do not have to unhook a toad due to the queen size upper bed. When we stay over a day I roll the motorcycle and bicycles out the back ramp and presto-------great cheap transportation. We had the optional murphy bed with all the trimmimgs in the rear compartment so when you close the back it is a true beautiful bedroom, not a garage, Anyway it works for us well and when I start falling over on the motorcycle-----------I will buy a trike--LOL Some may wonder what we would do if we had to have a car in an emergency and that has happened. You can have one delivered very quickly----and we have.
Good luck with whatever you do!!!
Pitbull
suse1023 said
03:39 PM Jun 3, 2013
MandV wrote:
Here's another thought on the 5er side. We have a "classic" truck (an '02 that I paid $16K for last year, but is in outstanding condition) and a new 5er (2013 model we just purchased). If you're not afraid of being out of warranty on half of your setup (we plan on keeping about $15K of emergency funds solely for the tow vehicle once we hit the road full time) this is somewhat of an advantage. With a motorhome, you're either buying all used or all new.
I see some peoples' points about having a fuel efficient toad to use for sightseeing. We've spent the last year using the dually as our "family car" to get used to parking it in different places and driving it to and from various daily activities.
this is an old discussion but i have a question for you mandy.
what if any retrofits did you do to your truck? i've got the same one (01) with under 50 thousand miles on it but worry it's not rated for the weights the newer ones are.
EBendana said
01:02 AM Jul 25, 2013
Our set up lets us use our truck bed, because we ordered our 5th wheel toy hauler with a gooseneck hitch! That let us have room in our truck bed for a extra 45 gallon fuel tank and tool box....plus the gooseneck feels much more stable because our camper is lower profile. We have a Work n Play model 34.5....of course, we sacrificed living space in the camper to have a really rugged way to have our motorcycle, and other goodies...in fact, our garage can hold 7500 lbs, we are thinking of also putting a small smart car or Honda FIT type car in it too! We pull with a 2012 Dodge 4x4 diesel standard shift, standard cab truck (had to custom order that too!), but we LOVE our set up! Everyone said a gooseneck would be harder to hitch, but hubby says for him its easier. Had to put a mirror on the hitch, since with the fuel tank lost visibility....
EBendana said
01:03 AM Jul 25, 2013
Forgot to add its a Dodge RAM 2500
Terry and Jo said
04:08 AM Jul 25, 2013
With that trailer and 7000+ pounds in the garage of the toy hauler, wouldn't that be a bit much for a 3/4 ton truck? Or is that trailer that light?
Terry
MaryBee said
12:04 AM Aug 6, 2013
You know....get what you like and can afford! Both are nice, instead of over thinking just get what you both like! :)
We have a 5'ver and really like it. Would I like to get a new class A? Maybe...but I don't have a payment on my 5'ver or
tow vehicle and that is what I really like best! :) The 5'ver has served us well and I like the fact that our slide outs seem
to be deeper then what a class A has.
I do not want to keep up with the Joneses...you go broke doing that. Just get was you can afford and what makes you happy.
Defiant said
12:38 AM Aug 6, 2013
Wow, lots of excellent replies on this subject !
I will throw our 2 cents into the barrel , first we had a class B+ Nice starter ( we only owned it for 3 mos.) Small commode room killed it , no levelers, It was easy to drive and comfortable.
Then we purchased a 36 ft. 05 Winnebago Adventurer V10 gasser , we loved it ,much more room and a nice floor plan ,we owned it for 3+ years went on many trips with her including nearly a month trip out west , but after that trip we got the fever to plan on going fulltime, and we did not consider it a fulltime rig so we spent the last 2 1/2 years doing our research and what we found is you can get more bang for your buck going with a fifth wheel and truck hence our purchase, we knew what we were willing to spend and a comparable quality diesel pusher was much more costly, now bear in mind we are starting out with all brand new equipment ( I don't want somebody else's rig ) and buying a DP with what we wanted and the quality pushed it out of our price range.
All I can offer is look at what you are interested in ,take pictures....lots of pictures ! and even a video or two and compare cost and quality , make your pros and cons list of each, everyone is different in their wants and needs so I won't try to sway anyone one way or the other, its your money and an expensive investment and ultimately your call ! Good luck and most importantly ENJOY THE EXPERIENCE !!
Terry and Jo said
01:46 AM Aug 6, 2013
While the information here is good information, I'd like to point out that this is an old enough thread and that the original poster appears to have already made their decision and purchased an RV.
If anyone else wants to ask questions along the same line, it would be helpful for all to start a new thread instead of adding to this one.
Terry
WestWardHo said
03:40 PM Aug 7, 2013
Interesting, we were chatting yesterday with some nice people who own a lot at the co-op Jojoba Hills SKP RV Resort in California. They said that quite a few lot owners there are buying 5th wheels to leave on their lots to live in while there because they feel a 5th wheel is more homelike but often travel in their motorhomes. We're learning that quite a few RVers have second rigs, one smaller for "vacations".
There's something for everyone in this lifestyle. 😄
My husband and I are planning our FT lifestyle for after retirement. Just started researching in the past couple months. Had our head set to do a 5th wheel and a diesel F350. The idea being that we can always unload our 5th wheel at a destinitaion and can mineuver around in that area with the truck. Thing is, we do also enjoy the idea of the fun it can be to travel (drive) while hanging out in our house per say. PLus we was thinking we own our Honda accord and only would need to tow which maybe can save money that ways too since no matter how we do this we would have to take out loans to do this except for the car if we pulled it. At any rate, maybe if we can hear other peoples thoughts on their experiences or even thoughts of those that have not even begun would be great...
Personally, we used to tow a smaller travel trailer as our full time home. And it was nice to unhitch the house, leave it set up and tour around in the tow vehicle. When we outgrew that and wanted something larger, our dividing line was that we didn't want to have any bigger of a truck for a daily driver than we already had. Which meant towable homes were out for us.
So we went with a bus conversion (motorhome) towing a small car... and have really enjoyed the versatility. So far, we've not had a problem with not being able to stay in our bus while it needs service.. but that is a valid concern. Some repair shops just won't allow it, but in talking with a good number of motorhome owners, usually it's doable and not as big of a problem as you might think.
It really comes down to your style of anticipated travel, I think. Do you enjoy driving a large truck all the time? Do you want more house space that a 5th wheel provides? Will you be parking for longer periods of time when that larger space is an advantage? Or do you envision you'll be in motion more, when being able to travel in your living room would be an advantage? (We love it.. it's awesome to get up and fix the driver a snack!).
I would also advise considering your first RV to be a trial... don't spend more than you could sell it for in a year after you've figured out how you travel. Because many of us don't guess right the first time :)
- Cherie
Ok.........
Ive managed to do it again.......sold my class a before pulling out of the driveway. Twice so far this year my coach sits there and somebody makes an offer for alot more than I paid and ....POOF , Its gone.
I get to move up a few notches and get a bigger better unit but where does my luck run out.......treatment ends in Dec. (Knock on Wood!!) and all the doctors agreeing, Im outa here!!
I loved visiting New hampshire but this is the longest layover Ive ever had!!!!! (1 year to date!)
Now my question is......is there an area that Class a pushers .....40 - 45 ft, seem to sell cheaper durring the snow season, I watch Ebay, and most of the major sites for what im looking for any input would be greatly valued!!!
-- Edited by Lucky Mike on Thursday 6th of September 2012 09:26:48 AM
We say we are not planning to travel from one spot to another. Say when we visit family we stay with them maybe a a month or two. But then we both believe that camping parks might only be for a couple weeks and boondocking possibly the same. But I think in reality, we wont know how long we last in one spot until we are there for a day or so. No sense in planning that stuff all out huh. ;p Don't want to take away the freedom of this lifestyle ;D
Really what this all boils down too is that however we decide to do this we want to go big and only do it one time. With hopes to last us for as long as we can last in this life. In our minds, this would be our final home before a nursing home per say ;)
As you continue to look at RVs you will gradually discover what meets your personal preference.....
We have had both, and right now a 5er meets our needs best.
I guess it like it is always said:
Go to the shows , Dealers lots......go inside the units , sit down ....move around look long and hard.......this is going to be your home, Pretend its raining or cold for extended periods.....can you enjoy yourself in there!!
You are right....expenses are generated by how much and how far you move.
But the type of unit you use ....5vr....Trailer or class a is how you decide home should be!!.................and we all have an opinion ,lucky for you only yours will count...........
Remember........shop long and hard , this is going to be home and even if you find a real good deal......you worked hard for your money, and it is always easier to buy an rv than it is to sell or trade up.........
"Matters of choice....Always teach good lessons no matter how hard you study!!"
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Here are some things to check when buying an RV. Each is important. Take the time to do these things and in doing so you will help ensure you get an RV that will work for you -- not against you!
Determine storage space. Is it adequate for your needs? Is there a place for your golf clubs or other large items?
Inspect cupboards: Are they deep enough to accommodate a standard-sized dinner plate? How are they put together – screwed, nailed, stapled? Do they feel solid or flimsy?
Sit a while in chairs and on the couch. Are they comfortable? Does the easy chair and/or couch have good head support?
Where is the built-in TV (or where would you place a portable one)? Can you see it without straining your neck?
Lie on the bed. Is it comfortable? Is it roomy enough for two? Is it long enough so your feet don’t hang out?
Sit on the toilet. Can you do so with the door closed? When you stand up, do you bang your head on a cabinet? Is there, in fact, a cabinet in the bathroom? How about a soap dish in the shower stall?
Where will you place a wastebasket? Is there an out-of-the-way space that will easily accommodate it?
Check heater vents. How many are there? Where are they? Is there one in the bathroom (incredibly, sometimes there is not). Is the heater itself powerful enough to heat the rig? And how about the air conditioner? Is it adequate?
Are there enough stove burners? And how about kitchen counter space?
Check for electrical outlets. How many are there? Do the locations make sense?
Ask about insulation. The RV may be warm and cozy the day you look at it, but what about on a 30-degree night?
Lean against inside walls. Is there any give? Is the plywood about 1/4 inch thick at best? If so, you’re dealing with a cheaply made unit.
Learn how much weight the RV can carry. Look for a notice inside the rig (often inside a wardrobe door) that tells its net carrying capacity — the maximum weight the RV can carry without overloading it. This is sometimes noted as the CCC. You will be amazed at how many RVs are so heavy for their chassis that there is little room for anything else without dangerously overloading a rig. Make sure the RV can carry you, your family and your stuff.
Check on the outside of the RV, usually right near the door, for the seal of the RVIA. If its there, you can be sure the unit was made according to standards set by the Recreation Vehicle Industry Association. If there is no such seal, do not buy the RV.
Edit by moderator: Resized the text in the list. Sorry, Mike, but I was about to go blind..... Terry
-- Edited by Lucky Mike on Thursday 6th of September 2012 04:21:26 PM
-- Edited by Terry and Jo on Thursday 6th of September 2012 07:15:56 PM
As for getting up to make the driver a snack in a moving motorhome, that's not advisable. Think about what happens if the driver has to mash on the breaks or make a quick maneuver in a tight/emergency situation. Where's the "snack maker" going along with anything that has been taken out to make said snack. Anything not put where it's supposed to be, including the snack maker, become missiles in a panic stop. That knife that was out......
Safety, Safety, Safety!
Engine wise overall maintenance......deisel requires less and normally has a longer life span
Class a has the faster spur of the moment ability to fit in when attempting to pull over and nap or boondock for short periods
O.K., I'm still a wannabe, but I've been doing a LOT of "homework". Correct me, you long timers, if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the decision between a Class A or 5er (or TT) depend moreso on how one plans to live on the road rather than putting emphasis on fuel efficiency, for the most part? (IMHO, fuel efficiency can be comtrolled by not moving around so much.) In other words, isn't it more difficult to boondock with a Class A than a 5er, not to mention needing a larger space if in an RV park for a Class A? Just asking. Thanks.
RV shows ,RV rallies in your search bar.............their are some very large ones thru out the country.......penn. has the largest coming up....
Phyllis....and.....Jo (Mary Sunshine),
Do you sew or do crafts? My Jo has some sewing equipment, including an embroidery machine and we removed some furniture from our fifth wheel and built a cabinet for her sewing stuff. In fact, since purchasing our Mobile Suites, we've sold the original couch and recliners and replaced with other items. Then, Jo and I replaced some of the other stuff we had for the sewing cabinet. In addition, we sold the original dining room table and chairs and replaced them with the newer style that has a cabinet against the wall and a top that will pull out a bit to allow more room at the table.
We've even replaced our RV refrigerator with a residential French-style, two door with a drawer for the freezer. I'm not sure if we could have "customized" a motorhome as much as we did our fifth wheel.
Look at both fifth wheels and motorhomes to see if it looks like it would be possible for changes, should you think that might be an option. From what I've heard from "some" others, changes might be easier in a fifth wheel than in a Class A. Pay attention to where heat and a/c ducts are located. In any case with making changes, look at everything closely and really study.
Terry
I've not ever owned a 5th wheel.... so can't do a direct comparison. But not sure how it would be necessarily easier to boondock in a 5th wheel than a Class-A? And as far as parking space, we've seen plenty of 5ths that are larger than some Class-As, plus having to find room to park their larger tow vehicle.
So many variables that it's really impossible to make such generalities.
But you are absolutely correct... the decision should come down to personal preference and style of travel. There is no easy right answer.
- Cherie
In the case of the original furniture, the backs came off of the recliners easily and the couch dismantled easily as it was really built kind of cheaply. We chose a La-Z-Boy Reclinaway love seat which also allows the backs to come off easily. Then it was just a matter of turning the seat part 1/4 turn so that the front part was up and it easily went in the door. I'm not sure what other furniture would allow the backs to come off but every La-Z-Boy we've had worked that way.
When we replaced the refrigerator, the doors on both the old and new ones had to be removed to be able to go in through the door. One just has to make sure one doesn't try to replace with something that is entirely too big.
Terry
While I did not mention my reasoning, I was thinking in terms of weight. You guys have the experience, I don't, but to my way of thinking, I would not want to go off road and get stuck somewhere in a Class A, with nothing to pull it out other than a service. Another thing I look for is the size of the tanks because I do plan to do a lot of boondocking when the day comes. (Can't wait!!!!!)
No, Terry, no more sewing for me! I made my own clothes when I was in Junior High and High School, but I guess I burned myself out. I can't even bring myself to sew on a button these days. Thank goodness my dear, sweet husband is a (retired) firefighter. He can sew on a 'mean' button!
Patiently awaiting Jo's report!
The La Z boy will be our big thing. My husband is a firm believer he should have a nice recliner, even now. He is lazy by nature so I we (I.. lol) did not think that to be wise for him now. So I have made it a point to him that when we are rving he should by all means have his choice at the BEST recliner out there for him. Me, I want to enjoy the outdoors for all its worth and hopefully social with so many of you in person. I too am so anxious to begin this life. Feels like it will be forever, but we need to finish up on some loose ends first...
I recently had a campfire discussion with some other RV friends and the subject of getting stuck came up. The subject came up since we were by the beach where many get stuck with cars, trucks, RVs, everything, including both the tow vehicle and trailer. One person was laughing about following a friend out into the boonies where the friend got both his truck and 5th wheel stuck in soft ground. The motorhome behind got stuck because they didn't stop fast enough. It was a real mess to get everything back on solid ground. They had to pull both the trailer and truck out at once since they couldn't get them apart. But first they had to pull the motorhome out to get to the truck and 5th wheel trailer.
Not in one Rv or tow unit did I ever see any recommendations for OFF THE ROAD USE........
I also noticed All the manufacturers are very polite and not once in any manual tried to explain the Word Stupid or Idiot,,,of course they are self explanatory.....................
Lucky Mike and Terry, Thank you so much for the great information listed on this post! We're taking notes and learning so much! Some of the things you've mentioned we've thought of , but certainly most of them we haven't. Thank you both again for sharing!
Buzz & Debbie
I see some peoples' points about having a fuel efficient toad to use for sightseeing. We've spent the last year using the dually as our "family car" to get used to parking it in different places and driving it to and from various daily activities.
So, that has me concerned about the shows we do where it could be raining during load in / load out, how much stuff we have to transfer between trailer and truck, etc. Right now what we have would pretty easily fill the back of a normal min-van, so it's not a small amount of "stuff" and it includes weights for the booth and glass cases for the displays, so it's not real lightweight either.
Questions:
1 - can you store much in your truck while driving down the road with the 5ver hitched up? If so, that would help eliminate much of the tranferring of booth "stuff".
2 - If you can store stuff in the truck, is there anyway to protect it from the weather?
3 - Does a 5ver have as much outside storage as a class A?
Of course our other option is to go with the 5ver and have a separate vehicle that we drive for shows, grocery shopping, exploring, etc.
Thanks in advance, I always seem to get good advice/suggestions or more ideas on this site!
Dale and Ruth,
We have a fifth wheel and a Ford F450 with which to tow it. While it is pretty sizable in the rear seat, from what you describe, I'm not sure that the F450 would even be big enough to carry your stuff. Now, I am limited in knowing what it is that you take to shows, so I have no idea as to how much space you need.
We currently are still working towards retirement, so we also have a second vehicle which is a four-door (crew cab) Ford F150 with an ARE pickup bed topper. When we finally get to travel, it is likely that we won't travel very far in a day, so it would be no problem for Jo to drive the F150 while I tow the F450. That gives us the option of being able to carry heavier cargo in the F150 instead of in the basement of the trailer. When necessary, we can use the F150 as a "scout" vehicle to check out campgrounds and fuel stations for the best ways into those facilities.
With the F150 being a crew cab with a topper, we can carry items both in the rear seat area and in the bed. While I can't say this option will be best for your situation, it is something to consider. Something like the F150 will serve us for sightseeing or quick trips that we might need for other needs, such as a trip home to doctors or renewing licenses.
Good luck with your research.
Terry
I ain't Terry, but have you read most of Howard's early writings? He had a custom cover built for their F450. It zips around the hitch when towing and covers the bed when not towing. He had it recently repaired. They haul a lot of stuff in the bed, when they had the motor replaced, they had to move the Sea Eagles to the Jeep. So, yes, you can use tthe bed of the truck, but it takes some prep.
I used to carry an ice chest in the bed. Stored some awning lights it it. One day, the lid was not latched down correctly and the lights are now adorning some stretch of highway in Idaho. I just hope they like them and appreciate my attempt at beautification.
-- Edited by 53 Merc on Saturday 13th of October 2012 09:27:17 AM
if you decide to do it that way it is very important (its important anyway) to scale out all axles on any coach or 5vr ....being overloaded becomes a major safety issue , it also causes damage to your units and places excessive tire wear and poor handling of the vehicle.
Yes, but caution must be used as to what is there and how light in weight it is. We used to have a small plastic step stool that I kept in the bed of the truck which I could reach over and get and use to stand on to get better leverage for pulling the fifth wheel latch. One time we added a portable waste disposal tank (blue boy) into the bed and the change in wind currents because of that sent that step stool out somewhere near Hinton, OK.
Before we start traveling, I plan on installing a combination tool box/fuel tank in the front of the F450 so I can store some of my tools in the box instead of being in either the fifth wheel's basement or the back of the F150. I suspect that I will also carry my multi-ladder in the F450 as well and save the covered space in the F150 for items that I would prefer not getting wet. The topper we bought is a little taller than a straight roofline topper. (See image below.)
The bed covers like Howard and Linda have are also very nice, but might be a problem if one needs something from the bed while traveling. For instance, if one needed a ladder that was stored in bed of the tow vehicle, it might be more difficult to retrieve from the bed.
Terry
Lots of great opinions on pros and cons. We have had trailers, 5ers and MHs. The trailors were spacious but a pain to tow. 5ers great to tow but awful to run tow vehicle on daily basis. This has been mentioned. MH great but I hate pulling a toad.
We now have a Damon Outlaw 37ft MH toy carrier. For us its great. I can pull in anywhere and do not have to unhook a toad due to the queen size upper bed. When we stay over a day I roll the motorcycle and bicycles out the back ramp and presto-------great cheap transportation. We had the optional murphy bed with all the trimmimgs in the rear compartment so when you close the back it is a true beautiful bedroom, not a garage,
Anyway it works for us well and when I start falling over on the motorcycle-----------I will buy a trike--LOL
Some may wonder what we would do if we had to have a car in an emergency and that has happened. You can have one delivered very quickly----and we have.
Good luck with whatever you do!!!
Pitbull
this is an old discussion but i have a question for you mandy.
what if any retrofits did you do to your truck? i've got the same one (01) with under 50 thousand miles on it but worry it's not rated for the weights the newer ones are.
With that trailer and 7000+ pounds in the garage of the toy hauler, wouldn't that be a bit much for a 3/4 ton truck? Or is that trailer that light?
Terry
We have a 5'ver and really like it. Would I like to get a new class A? Maybe...but I don't have a payment on my 5'ver or
tow vehicle and that is what I really like best! :) The 5'ver has served us well and I like the fact that our slide outs seem
to be deeper then what a class A has.
I do not want to keep up with the Joneses...you go broke doing that. Just get was you can afford and what makes you happy.
I will throw our 2 cents into the barrel , first we had a class B+ Nice starter ( we only owned it for 3 mos.) Small commode room killed it , no levelers, It was easy to drive and comfortable.
Then we purchased a 36 ft. 05 Winnebago Adventurer V10 gasser , we loved it ,much more room and a nice floor plan ,we owned it for 3+ years went on many trips with her including nearly a month trip out west , but after that trip we got the fever to plan on going fulltime, and we did not consider it a fulltime rig so we spent the last 2 1/2 years doing our research and what we found is you can get more bang for your buck going with a fifth wheel and truck hence our purchase, we knew what we were willing to spend and a comparable quality diesel pusher was much more costly, now bear in mind we are starting out with all brand new equipment ( I don't want somebody else's rig ) and buying a DP with what we wanted and the quality pushed it out of our price range.
All I can offer is look at what you are interested in ,take pictures....lots of pictures ! and even a video or two and compare cost and quality , make your pros and cons list of each, everyone is different in their wants and needs so I won't try to sway anyone one way or the other, its your money and an expensive investment and ultimately your call ! Good luck and most importantly ENJOY THE EXPERIENCE !!
While the information here is good information, I'd like to point out that this is an old enough thread and that the original poster appears to have already made their decision and purchased an RV.
If anyone else wants to ask questions along the same line, it would be helpful for all to start a new thread instead of adding to this one.
Terry
There's something for everyone in this lifestyle. 😄
Sherry