I haven't checked in for a while - winter is long in upstate NY, but it has been a mild one. We continue to read & watch & research for our eventual Fulltiming. I am hoping for a new job that I can 'take with me'. I hope you are all living your dreams
Anyway, we have been watching a new show called "doomsday preppers" and my husband & I have always have a good conversation about what we would do. I always say we have the best "bug-out RV vehicle".
So, I thought I would ask those of you already Fulltiming - do you have 'bug-out' plans? What kinds of supplies, or plans do you have? There must be some who plan for even an unexpected tornado - what do you do?
Bill Adams said
12:42 AM Mar 17, 2012
If there is an unexpected tornado, you are not going to be able to bug out!! Sorry, too late. If that unexpected tornado takes out your coach, all of your plans are gone. If it doesn't hit your coach, no harm, no foul. If "doomsday" comes, there's really nothing to plan for since I would only be prolonging the inevitable and I don't see much point in that. Now, if we get into ground somewhere in between these events, hurricane, earthquake, etc. then I have enough food on board to get by just fine until I can drive to a new location.
RVPAINTER said
01:47 AM Mar 17, 2012
Good points Bill - it also speaks to the importance of having a NOAA radio. The other important fact is to know what COUNTY you are in - as tornado reporting (so I've read) in many cases is talked about as to what COUNTIES are in danger.
Terry and Jo said
10:01 AM Mar 17, 2012
First of all, welcome to Rodger and Shelly. You have definitely found a good site to begin the research. Lots of friendly and helpful and knowledgeable folks here.
As for tornado information, depending on where you are, if you can get "local" TV stations, you can get some advance warnings. Here in Oklahoma City, we tune in one of our local stations and watch their storm coverage. I don't know how it is elsewhere, but here they show lots of advance warnings as to the "track" that a storm is following.
So, if you have a weather radio alert in your area, see if you can get local TV stations for more detailed information on watches and warnings and storm tracks.
Terry
-- Edited by Terry and Jo on Saturday 17th of March 2012 04:02:52 PM
Neil and Connie said
03:23 PM Mar 17, 2012
As others have said; you won't have time to bug out from the tornado. Floods, maybe…depending on how fast the creek rises you should usually be able to pull out to higher ground.
We're going to keep a few emergency supplies in our car and tow vehicle; the RV can be replaced but we can't. A couple of flashlights and our hiking gear will just live in the car anyway; so if worst comes to worst we'll bug out with just the car and let insurance cover the RV. Sucks to have to do that; but better than making like Dorothy and getting carried away
LibertyLinda said
03:27 PM Mar 17, 2012
Thanks for the responses so far, it really is a help. I guess the preparing for the worse & hope for the best is what the guidance should be. Laubenthal I like your idea of having a bug-out bag in the car. We are probably going to end up with a 5th wheel to full-time in, so having a bag in the truck would make sense.
Keep the ideas coming in! I really do appreciate all that I learn with the RV Dreamers :)
Rodger - Shelly said
04:27 PM Mar 17, 2012
hello whe are what you call newbies to this ,my wife and i newly retired and it sounds like a typical story,we have our home up for sale also,we have lived here 24 yrs. I am a fabricater oh boy do I have a jo ahead of me ,we are going full time soon as the house sells . Not real sure what to do first..
NorCal Dan said
06:31 PM Mar 17, 2012
I've been watching that show...the question I keep asking myself is...do I want to do the Mad Max post-apocalyptic survival thing..or would it be better to be taken out in the 1st round. I mean, if the proverbial "stuff" hits the fan, do you really want to "live" in the aftermath? I just don't think hording a years worth of food, water, ammunition and whatever else you come up with is worth all the effort/expense.
53 Merc said
07:37 PM Mar 17, 2012
I have had some thoughts on the whole "prepper" thing. First, are they doing it to survive some world ending event? Or is it for a sense of security, however transitory it might be?
Keeping a couple of years of consumables on hand must be a large expense. Keeping all those stores is a space consuming effort, so it is out for us Rvers. It is about all we can do to keep a couple of weeks on hand, so I guess I can make it a couple of weeks.
Terry and Jo said
11:11 PM Mar 17, 2012
As for those preparing for the "doomsday," if they are paranoid now, just imagine how their life will be if suddenly supplies do become hard to come by. I would suspect that they would post 24/7 guards just to protect their food stores.
Regardless of how much they have in the way of weapons and ammunition, eventually a horde of hungry folks would take them out.
A "bug-out" bag is not really a bad idea. I remember as a new driver at 16 years old, I did keep a couple of blankets in my car and a jar of peanut butter. However, those provisions were more for being caught in a blizzard than in an earth-shattering event.
As for a bug out bag, try to have room for some basic first-aid supplies and water. One can survive longer without food then one can without water.
Terry
GENECOP said
12:01 AM Mar 18, 2012
If the day comes in our lives that things get that bad my IE ( Marauding gangs pillaging, raping, and looting. Our survival bag will be some good wine, and a boat load of sleeping pills.....Case Closed....we are both prepared and armed that we could mount a good defense for a period of time, but what's the point.....G
The Bear II said
04:25 PM Mar 19, 2012
Living in Southern California with earthquakes, tsunamis other natural and manmade disasters at our doorstep we always considered our RV as a possible refuge. We keep it stocked with food, water, medical, protection and other supplies we would need for suvival if we can get to the RV and then get it out of town.
Getting out of town will be the biggest problem. I'm guessing all of the roadways will be congested for days or impassable due to damage. We may just have to ride out whatever comes our way in the storage lot where we keep the RV if our house is in bad shape.
LibertyLinda said
10:40 PM Mar 19, 2012
I like your idea Bear II while we are still living in our stick house - perhaps you can find a safe hike route to your RV?
Thanks all. Here are some things we have aquired via camping, RVing and kayaking that can perhaps be kept with us for survival: first aide kit, water purifier (no bigger than a small bag), and small sleeping bags & tent if needed. We do have a small NOAA radio, I think our walkie-talkies have a NOAA radio too. I'm thinking the lightest food stores to have for emergancies only are MRE's, however they are expensive.
I know some huge natural disaster you are at the mercy of where you happen to be - we experienced major flooding last fall, where we stayed dry, but were out of electricity for 4 days and trapped in our neighborhood surrounded by the flood. We could not get gas or groceries or go anywhere! We were able to use our RV generator & help our neighbors plug in too. That really got us thinking how to be prepared as best as possible.
Obviously an apolyptic event is out of our hands. But temporary natural disasters, potential economic collapse is more real and it seems to me it is RVers that can be in the best position to be able to do well.
kb0zke said
03:18 AM Mar 20, 2012
Since we moved here in 1998, we've had fires around us, a major ice storm, and had a tornado or two fly near us. We bought this place in 1998, and made a few plans for the Y2K event. As it turned out, we never needed those plans, but the fireplace and gas stove sure were nice in the ice storm. We had another family stay with us then, because their house is all electric, and the entire county was without electricity for anywhere from a couple of days to a couple of weeks.
A tornado is a different story. Twice we've left here when there was sufficient warning to make that a reasonable choice. Another time we didn't know that a tornado was hitting. It took out a restaurant about a mile down the road. I went out with the radio, saw all the flashing lights, and thought two cars had tried to be in the same place at the same time.
If we had had a motor home with a diesel generator we probably would have just moved into it for the ice storm. There is rain tonight, but no severe weather is forecast. If there was, and we had a MH, I'd probably just sleep in it tonight. With a generator we'd be fine even if the power goes out.
Trabuco said
03:45 AM Mar 20, 2012
As The Bear 2 stated above for those of us in So Cal the MH makes a nice earthquake shelter. We have the ability to walk to our unit if needed and to shelter in place if the roads or traffic make it an issue. The on board generator will give us all the comforts of home.
As far as the doomsday preppers I'm with NorCal Dan take me out in the first round. I know where I'll be and it will be a much better place.
lisab said
03:36 AM Mar 27, 2012
For what it's worth, we're of the opinion that if it's only a temporary disaster, it's a good idea to be prepared with 3-5 days of water and food. If it's something bigger, we want to go out in the first round. Who wants to be in the middle of the fight for survival? We'll be gone to a far better place!
earthmommy said
07:30 AM Mar 27, 2012
I did a lot of research on the whole prepper movement, but I'm of the "don't want to live after some apocolyptic event" camp. As for prepping for everyday emergencies, I am in favor of (and have) bug out bags, some stuff in the car and a nice medical kit. When we take to the road, we'll be prepared for more likely emergncies like breakdowns and Mother Nature's temper, and medical things.
3fortheroad said
01:23 PM Mar 27, 2012
I agree that we should be somewhat prepared for disaster situations, and not rely on our neighbors and government.
Is there going to be a Dooms Day or a total government collapse, who knows? I think a lot of people out there that would want you to believe the end is near. If you do a Google search on the subject of Survival Supplies you'll find thousands of sites looking to sell you about anything in the way of survival gear. Is this normal or are these company's just profiting from our fears?
JMO, being self sufficient for the short term is a good thing., but sitting around and FEEDING OUR FEARS with what the DOOM-SAYERS are putting out there is unhealthy and a waste of valuable time.
-- Edited by 3fortheroad on Tuesday 27th of March 2012 01:24:16 PM
Racerguy said
01:32 PM Mar 27, 2012
3fortheroad wrote:
I agree that we should be somewhat prepared for disaster situations, and not rely on our neighbors and government.
Is there going to be a Dooms Day or a total government collapse, who knows? I think a lot of people out there that would want you to believe the end is near. If you do a Google search on the subject of Survival Supplies you'll find thousands of sites looking to sell you about anything in the way of survival gear. Is this normal or are these company's just profiting from our fears?
JMO, being self sufficient for the short term is a good thing., but sitting around and FEEDING OUR FEARS with what the DOOM-SAYERS are putting out there is unhealthy and a waste of valuable time.
-- Edited by 3fortheroad on Tuesday 27th of March 2012 01:24:16 PM
AMEN.
-- Edited by Racerguy on Tuesday 27th of March 2012 01:33:43 PM
PIEERE said
02:20 PM Mar 27, 2012
I wouldn't want to be one of the only survivors of a major civilization-ending event. I have accepted that dying is inevitable; it's the pain and anguish that happens before it that causes fear. If one can avoid being in the path of destruction; I will do anything possible to avoid it.
As far a being prepared the best defense is a weather alert system and following an escape route. Worldey possessions can be replaced; but lives of an individual can't. Have no fear as they say; but the mind when catastrophes happen really takes over. Knowing what to do is the key! Pieere
Live One Day at a Time!
MNdrifters said
04:19 PM Mar 27, 2012
As RV'ers we are all preppers in a way. Especially full-timers because you take your house where ever you go and week-enders are prepared for days or weeks when they are out on the road. There is nothing wrong with being prepared for certain emergancies or events. Thats just good planning. Preppers are just prepared for the end of the world (whether apocalypse, epademic or zombie attack). What surprises me is that so many people will just give up and lie down. I am glad that spirit wasn't around 250 years ago. We would all still be English subjects pulling our Caravans around with small 4 Cylinder cars.
LibertyLinda said
12:02 AM Mar 28, 2012
MNDrifters - that is exactly what my husband says, its against human nature to not want to survive - we would definately not just lie down.
Being prepared for the worse- that you can afford & do for your own situation - and hope for the best seems to be the guiding force.
Zombies or The Walking Dead (that show is funny) is not what you would prepare for. Economic collapse? Very likely. Astoroid from outter space? Who knows - can't prepare for that because we'd all be wiped out.
All of your thoughts & ideas are really interesting - I appreciate them all!
kb0zke said
04:58 PM Mar 31, 2012
Sometimes the best preparation is just thinking about a situation before it happens.
3fortheroad said
05:23 PM Mar 31, 2012
How do you prepare for the idots that go out and load up on assualt weapons that have no prior experience and no clue on thr proper use of one? There are a lot of people that get training and practice a lot, but theres probably double or triple that many that don't.
LibertyLinda said
07:38 PM Mar 31, 2012
If the inexperienced are also the criminal element, which you will have a percentage of, then I guess I would want to be the better trained one with assault weapons
Terry and Jo said
11:46 PM Mar 31, 2012
As far as protection with weapons, training cannot be expressed enough as a necessary endeavor. In most cases, one will be at fairly close range with regard to a confrontation with "one of those idiots."
In my estimation, my first and primary weapon would be a shotgun. There are some out there with the capability of 6 rounds in the magazine and 1 in the chamber. And since it is a shotgun, if one was in the "survival" mode, it could be used for hunting large birds for food. However, in that capacity, the shotgun would need something to keep one from having too many rounds in the shotgun. Some states have a limit on the number of rounds that can be loaded within the shotgun.
Terry
NorCal Dan said
11:56 PM Apr 1, 2012
Terry and Jo wrote: And since it is a shotgun, if one was in the "survival" mode, it could be used for hunting large birds for food. However, in that capacity, the shotgun would need something to keep one from having too many rounds in the shotgun. Some states have a limit on the number of rounds that can be loaded within the shotgun.
Had to laugh at this one...my first thought was, survival mode, end of the world scenerio...and to think somebody would write me up for having too many shells in my shotgun if I'm shooting turkeys instead of zombies!!
Sorry, couldn't resist...I know what your getting at Terry, just having some fun with you...
TempestT-37 said
09:50 PM Apr 11, 2012
You guys make me laugh, if something happens most of you want to die. "What if." What if you were not taken out in the first round? The doomsday preppers show is not exactly what prepping is about, it is mainly just for entertainment. When you think about SHTF and TEOTWAWKI (The end of the world as we know it) you need to remember the "as we know it". The proverbial "stuff" has been hitting the fan for decades, its just a little here and a little there so we don't notice it. Its the big stuff that we notice. What if gas prices jumped to $15 a gallon by the end of April? Would your life change any from what it is now? Someone who suddenly loses a spouse or child could say its The end of the world as they know it. As MNdrifters said we all are preppers even non rv'ers. My wife and I just bought our first RV. I believe I can get 3 months of food preps in our RV and there are 6 of us. Also we are planning on being fulltimers.
Racerguy said
10:28 PM Apr 11, 2012
My own personal opinion is that the "Doomsday Preppers" have been watching to many B Movies.
NorCal Dan said
05:02 AM Apr 12, 2012
The Dooms Day Preppers show was probably sponsored by the companies who sell food in bulk packaging
Most of the scenerio on the show revolve around a common theme, loss of the power grid. Not really in the same league as $15/gal fuel costs.
3fortheroad said
05:07 PM Apr 12, 2012
OK that's enough talk about $15 dollar fuel. Lets not give the Oil Barons any ideas.
3fortheroad said
06:17 PM Apr 12, 2012
Terry and Jo wrote:
As far as protection with weapons, training cannot be expressed enough as a necessary endeavor. In most cases, one will be at fairly close range with regard to a confrontation with "one of those idiots."
In my estimation, my first and primary weapon would be a shotgun. There are some out there with the capability of 6 rounds in the magazine and 1 in the chamber. And since it is a shotgun, if one was in the "survival" mode, it could be used for hunting large birds for food. However, in that capacity, the shotgun would need something to keep one from having too many rounds in the shotgun. Some states have a limit on the number of rounds that can be loaded within the shotgun.
Terry
I agree a shotgun is a good choice for self defense and survival situations.
The difference I see is that some "idiot" in survival mode is going to shoot at anything that moves.
Trabuco said
07:38 PM Apr 12, 2012
After watching the show once and only once the one word that comes to mind is "paranoid". There is more to life than waiting for the sky to fall.
ShoeBoxLife said
09:37 PM Apr 18, 2012
3fortheroad wrote:
How do you prepare for the idots that go out and load up on assualt weapons that have no prior experience and no clue on thr proper use of one? There are a lot of people that get training and practice a lot, but theres probably double or triple that many that don't.
This is also a concern of ours. I've been reading a lot by the "prepper" bloggers and they have begun to concern me due to a great lack of common sense. Will they be able to truly recognize their "enemy"? I don't know. We carry freeze dried items due to their weight and the fact we can actually store more. Katrina taught us to have a little extra on hand. Plus we are getting ready to begin dry camping and won't be making runs to the store. Personally I like the idea of being ready for what could happen. But mostly I like having enough on hand for self and others. All your comments on this matter were clear and full of plain ole horse sense and I find it refreshing after some of the forums I've been on. So Thanks.
PIEERE said
03:09 PM Apr 19, 2012
PIEERE wrote:
I wouldn't want to be one of the only survivors of a major civilization-ending event. I have accepted that dying is inevitable; it's the pain and anguish that happens before it that causes fear. If one can avoid being in the path of destruction; I will do anything possible to avoid it. As far a being prepared the best defense is a weather alert system and following an escape route. Worldey possessions can be replaced; but lives of an individual can't. Have no fear as they say; but the mind when catastrophes happen really takes over. Knowing what to do is the key! Pieere Live One Day at a Time!
Guess I said: "Live One Day At a time" was correct. On the morning of the 30th of March I was rushed to the hospital with a massive Heart Attack. I had 3 stints and an angioplasty; released on the 6th of April. I started work the 16th of April on light-duty. So far; so good. Pieere
3fortheroad said
04:45 PM Apr 19, 2012
PIEERE wrote:
PIEERE wrote:
I wouldn't want to be one of the only survivors of a major civilization-ending event. I have accepted that dying is inevitable; it's the pain and anguish that happens before it that causes fear. If one can avoid being in the path of destruction; I will do anything possible to avoid it. As far a being prepared the best defense is a weather alert system and following an escape route. Worldly possessions can be replaced; but lives of an individual can't. Have no fear as they say; but the mind when catastrophes happen really takes over. Knowing what to do is the key! Pierre Live One Day at a Time!
Guess I said: "Live One Day At a time" was correct. On the morning of the 30th of March I was rushed to the hospital with a massive Heart Attack. I had 3 stints and an angioplasty; released on the 6th of April. I started work the 16th of April on light-duty. So far; so good. Pierre
Wow nothing like getting a Reality Check thats up close and personal. Good to hear you are on the mend, keep posting your progress.
Loretta said
05:32 PM Apr 19, 2012
Sending good thoughts your way for a speedy recovery.
crafter32034 said
05:03 PM Apr 20, 2012
I keep a small bug out bag hanging by the bed containing my XD .45, spare mag, knife, Bic lighter , fifty feet of paracord and 2 bottles of water. When I get undressed at night, in go my wallet, keys, cell phone and glasses. In the event of fire, storm flood or other emergency, I can grab Mary Kay, BOB(bug out bag) and be out the door of the 5er in seconds.
It may not be up to prepper standards, but I sleep better knowing we can bail if we have to.
The Bear II said
06:03 PM Apr 20, 2012
Rereading this thread reminded me-
When we were making the decision to buy our current 5th wheel, I watched a program about the predictions of Nostradamus. He predicted the world would end around the year 2000. My DW used this program to convince me to buy the 5th wheel. She said, "Look we will only have to make payments on it for 5 years and then the worl d will end. Let's enjoy it now "
We went to the dealer the next day and made the deal...I couldn't argue with her logic.
Now we are ready to replace the 5th wheel and the end of the world is coming up again this year. I guess it's time to get that luxury bus I've always wanted. I'll only have to pay on it until 12/21/2012 according to the Mayan Calendar.
3fortheroad said
06:19 PM Apr 20, 2012
The Bear II wrote:
Rereading this thread reminded me-
When we were making the decision to buy our current 5th wheel, I watched a program about the predictions of Nostradamus. He predicted the world would end around the year 2000. My DW used this program to convince me to buy the 5th wheel. She said, "Look we will only have to make payments on it for 5 years and then the world will end. Let's enjoy it now "
We went to the dealer the next day and made the deal...I couldn't argue with her logic.
Now we are ready to replace the 5th wheel and the end of the world is coming up again this year. I guess it's time to get that luxury bus I've always wanted. I'll only have to pay on it until 12/21/2012 according to the Mayan Calendar.
Hey Bear I like your thinking, we are in the process of upgrading the 5ver, and I used the same logic on the DW. But we decided not to go to the extreme of the "Luxury Bus" just in case the predictions are a little off.
LibertyLinda said
10:22 PM Apr 20, 2012
Crafter32024
Having that small BOB (Bug Out Bag) I think is a great idea for any unforseen situation that one may come accross. Given that one can not plan for all situations, you can prepare with some basics and hope for the best.
Everyone has had interesting feedback on this topic. I thank you all
Terry and Jo said
10:25 PM Apr 20, 2012
3fortheroad wrote:
The Bear II wrote:
Rereading this thread reminded me-
When we were making the decision to buy our current 5th wheel, I watched a program about the predictions of Nostradamus. He predicted the world would end around the year 2000. My DW used this program to convince me to buy the 5th wheel. She said, "Look we will only have to make payments on it for 5 years and then the world will end. Let's enjoy it now "
We went to the dealer the next day and made the deal...I couldn't argue with her logic.
Now we are ready to replace the 5th wheel and the end of the world is coming up again this year. I guess it's time to get that luxury bus I've always wanted. I'll only have to pay on it until 12/21/2012 according to the Mayan Calendar.
Hey Bear I like your thinking, we are in the process of upgrading the 5ver, and I used the same logic on the DW. But we decided not to go to the extreme of the "Luxury Bus" just in case the predictions are a little off.
Now, I think it is wise to hold off on buying new for the above reasons. After all, I can't seem to find any Mayans to confirm the accuracy of their calendar. So, do you suppose they didn't know as much as they thought and thus they are gone?
Personally, I liked the comment of a fellow on a shooter's forum on which I participate. His theory is that the guys that were working at chiseling in that calendar decided it was time for a beer break and then..............................................
rvingft said
02:13 PM Apr 22, 2012
I don't watch the show, but I was a Girl Scout so I do believe in being prepared. Our life now as mobile OSHA technicians has us on the road 24/7/365 so we don't have a way to store lots of provisions for any emergency. BUT ...
I always have canned, dried and EZ to prep food supplies on board. There are some simple items you can stock that you can find at WalMart, Trader Joes and such that are either canned or freeze dried that would work in such an emergency. And yes, I have them stashed in a backpack to grab in a hurry.
One of my favorite RV Authors Jaimie Hall Bruzenak posted the question on her blog, and it started quite a discussion in our household. Consequently, we now have a bailout bag with more in it that we did previously. I think positively that we won't need it, but that's because I have it :D
-- Edited by Terry and Jo on Sunday 22nd of April 2012 06:29:55 PM
Terry and Jo said
01:32 AM Apr 23, 2012
Candace,
After I activated you link, I tested it to make sure it worked properly. I couldn't find a link on that website that took one to the particulars of a "bail-out bag."
You might want to verify the source for that "article."
Terry
Sushidog said
08:59 PM Apr 26, 2012
I bought my Aliner as a bug-out vehicle after surviving Hurricane Katrina. I used it to successfully evacuate my family and pets for another hurricane. I certainly plan on using it in other disasters, including those made by man. When I got out of the Army I was a little paranoid - as that's what they trained us to be. I had a full ALICE pack BOB with NBC gear (full MOPP suits) and all the bells and whistles - military style, if you know what I mean. I've gotten older, reducing my physical abilities and that of my family, and my threat assessments changed. This required a complete change of plans.
I think the greatest threat we now face for an EOTWAWKI scenario is hyperinflation as a result of our current govt. overspending policies, though a terrorist threat is a high probability too, not to mention natural disasters which rank pretty high too, from a threat assessment standpoint. I don't believe a person could survive long in a fixed installation after a major disaster, from the lessons learned after Katrina. Being mobile in an RV, one could avoid large massed forces, while still being able to carry some food, ammo, survival equipt. etc. with you. An elite, class A type RV might get you profiled as a high value target, whereas an older, smaller rig might not alert the natives, so to speak. I believe in storing more ammo than food, because ammo will get you food and also permit you to keep your food from those who would steal it.
My tiny rig gets 22-25 mpg towing (and over 30 when not,) giving me a great range on a single tank of gas with a few extra fuel cans as back-up. When fuel is scarce and expensive this is very important. Who else remembers the gas lines and rationing of the 70's? I'm considering painting it cammie so it blends in better when set-up in the woods.
Have multiple evac. routes planned to multiple destinations and plan on leaving early - don't ask me how I know. Use maps, as GPS, cell, etc. will probably be down. Hidden food, ammo and fuel caches along the way or at proposed destinations help too.
Remember, carry cash, but if things really get bad it will be worthless, so also have junk silver and small gold coins for large purchases (like a tank full of fuel). I found out that your money in the bank is worthless when all branches of your bank are either destroyed or underwater. Beef jerky and seeds are good trade stock too. Don't forget fishing equipment (including a net), gardening supplies, meds., extra hygene supplies, sewing kit, extra clothing etc. in addition to quality camping gear- as you might be "camping" for quite awhile - like I was after Katrina. I plan on staying near a good source of water, so only filtration equipt. is needed. Water is very heavy to move, so I only carry 16 gallons for emergencies, as I have very limited carrying capacity, and where I live, water is plentiful.
Chip
LibertyLinda said
11:41 PM Apr 26, 2012
Chip,
You have the best plan yet. Use of the RV as a bug-out vehicle (out early) is valuable. It is not too soon to be prepared. I strongly feel there is going to be a lot of problems over the next year. Hope for the best.
Thank you for serving our country too.
Scubabeck said
06:43 PM May 7, 2012
Sounds like a good plan to me. I too watch the show Doomsday Preppers. Some are just plain out of thier minds. Others have some pretty good ideas. 15 years worth of food? For me is pointless. Six months worth of supplies...top maxium. Knowing how to survive in the wild off of plants, Priceless information. Caches along a escape route. Good. Several different escape routes. Good. Staying inside a large city. Death sentence. Bug out Bag...Great for a multitude of situtations. Ammo/knife...good idea for multi-purpose use. Seeds...good and bad...can eat the sprouts...bad if you have to wait eight weeks for it to grow and mature. By the time it grows you could be dead. Medical supplies very handy but will run out. Best to know how to handle without supplies and what to substitute.
Personally for me, I perfer to be taken out in the first round. Would not want to stick around to see people shooting each other for food or in pain due to lack of medical supplies. Lawlessness would abound. I know for myself I would be with Jesus and that for me is so much better.
"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal." Matthew 6:19....for me this sums it up pretty good.
Scubabeck said
06:56 PM May 7, 2012
BTW ...Chip is the best prepared.
Sushidog said
12:02 AM May 8, 2012
Thanks guys,
I think a person's mindset is the most important key to survival. Remember no matter how bad it gets, it will always get better in time. Some situations may take a while (it took several years for New Orleans to come back after Katrina, and there are some areas of the city that have never come back - and this was just for a regional emergency). If a larger area is affected then the recovery time will be longer, but it will get better over time. Don't lose hope. Look at the outstanding admirable example of the Japanese tsunami victims. Surely the dignity, civility and goodwill they displayed to each other during the some of the worse situations imaginable is insporing. When things seem blackest some lose hope and turn to suicide or make decisions compromising their principles which they later regret. Don't fall into this trap. Preparedness gives hope more than anything else. It helps us get in the mindset that we can get over the hump and live for a better day, if only for our children or grandchildren.
Chip
oplutz said
02:37 PM May 10, 2012
Hi!
Otis Lutz here from Florida.
We watch the "preppers" show and guess it is smart to be prepared. Agree with you that the RV is a great "bug out" unit.
I am going to add 6 solar panels this year so I can be ready whne the shtf. It would not take much for the system to be overloaded.
Hi everyone,
I haven't checked in for a while - winter is long in upstate NY, but it has been a mild one. We continue to read & watch & research for our eventual Fulltiming. I am hoping for a new job that I can 'take with me'. I hope you are all living your dreams
Anyway, we have been watching a new show called "doomsday preppers" and my husband & I have always have a good conversation about what we would do. I always say we have the best "bug-out RV vehicle".
So, I thought I would ask those of you already Fulltiming - do you have 'bug-out' plans? What kinds of supplies, or plans do you have? There must be some who plan for even an unexpected tornado - what do you do?
If "doomsday" comes, there's really nothing to plan for since I would only be prolonging the inevitable and I don't see much point in that. Now, if we get into ground somewhere in between these events, hurricane, earthquake, etc. then I have enough food on board to get by just fine until I can drive to a new location.
First of all, welcome to Rodger and Shelly. You have definitely found a good site to begin the research. Lots of friendly and helpful and knowledgeable folks here.
As for tornado information, depending on where you are, if you can get "local" TV stations, you can get some advance warnings. Here in Oklahoma City, we tune in one of our local stations and watch their storm coverage. I don't know how it is elsewhere, but here they show lots of advance warnings as to the "track" that a storm is following.
So, if you have a weather radio alert in your area, see if you can get local TV stations for more detailed information on watches and warnings and storm tracks.
Terry
-- Edited by Terry and Jo on Saturday 17th of March 2012 04:02:52 PM
As others have said; you won't have time to bug out from the tornado. Floods, maybe…depending on how fast the creek rises you should usually be able to pull out to higher ground.
We're going to keep a few emergency supplies in our car and tow vehicle; the RV can be replaced but we can't. A couple of flashlights and our hiking gear will just live in the car anyway; so if worst comes to worst we'll bug out with just the car and let insurance cover the RV. Sucks to have to do that; but better than making like Dorothy and getting carried away
Keep the ideas coming in! I really do appreciate all that I learn with the RV Dreamers :)
Keeping a couple of years of consumables on hand must be a large expense. Keeping all those stores is a space consuming effort, so it is out for us Rvers. It is about all we can do to keep a couple of weeks on hand, so I guess I can make it a couple of weeks.
As for those preparing for the "doomsday," if they are paranoid now, just imagine how their life will be if suddenly supplies do become hard to come by. I would suspect that they would post 24/7 guards just to protect their food stores.
Regardless of how much they have in the way of weapons and ammunition, eventually a horde of hungry folks would take them out.
A "bug-out" bag is not really a bad idea. I remember as a new driver at 16 years old, I did keep a couple of blankets in my car and a jar of peanut butter. However, those provisions were more for being caught in a blizzard than in an earth-shattering event.
As for a bug out bag, try to have room for some basic first-aid supplies and water. One can survive longer without food then one can without water.
Terry
Getting out of town will be the biggest problem. I'm guessing all of the roadways will be congested for days or impassable due to damage. We may just have to ride out whatever comes our way in the storage lot where we keep the RV if our house is in bad shape.
Thanks all. Here are some things we have aquired via camping, RVing and kayaking that can perhaps be kept with us for survival: first aide kit, water purifier (no bigger than a small bag), and small sleeping bags & tent if needed. We do have a small NOAA radio, I think our walkie-talkies have a NOAA radio too.
I'm thinking the lightest food stores to have for emergancies only are MRE's, however they are expensive.
I know some huge natural disaster you are at the mercy of where you happen to be - we experienced major flooding last fall, where we stayed dry, but were out of electricity for 4 days and trapped in our neighborhood surrounded by the flood. We could not get gas or groceries or go anywhere! We were able to use our RV generator & help our neighbors plug in too. That really got us thinking how to be prepared as best as possible.
Obviously an apolyptic event is out of our hands. But temporary natural disasters, potential economic collapse is more real and it seems to me it is RVers that can be in the best position to be able to do well.
A tornado is a different story. Twice we've left here when there was sufficient warning to make that a reasonable choice. Another time we didn't know that a tornado was hitting. It took out a restaurant about a mile down the road. I went out with the radio, saw all the flashing lights, and thought two cars had tried to be in the same place at the same time.
If we had had a motor home with a diesel generator we probably would have just moved into it for the ice storm. There is rain tonight, but no severe weather is forecast. If there was, and we had a MH, I'd probably just sleep in it tonight. With a generator we'd be fine even if the power goes out.
As far as the doomsday preppers I'm with NorCal Dan take me out in the first round. I know where I'll be and it will be a much better place.
I agree that we should be somewhat prepared for disaster situations, and not rely on our neighbors and government.
Is there going to be a Dooms Day or a total government collapse, who knows? I think a lot of people out there that would want you to believe the end is near. If you do a Google search on the subject of Survival Supplies you'll find thousands of sites looking to sell you about anything in the way of survival gear. Is this normal or are these company's just profiting from our fears?
JMO, being self sufficient for the short term is a good thing., but sitting around and FEEDING OUR FEARS with what the DOOM-SAYERS are putting out there is unhealthy and a waste of valuable time.
-- Edited by 3fortheroad on Tuesday 27th of March 2012 01:24:16 PM
AMEN.
-- Edited by Racerguy on Tuesday 27th of March 2012 01:33:43 PM
Being prepared for the worse- that you can afford & do for your own situation - and hope for the best seems to be the guiding force.
Zombies or The Walking Dead (that show is funny) is not what you would prepare for. Economic collapse? Very likely. Astoroid from outter space? Who knows - can't prepare for that because we'd all be wiped out.
All of your thoughts & ideas are really interesting - I appreciate them all!
How do you prepare for the idots that go out and load up on assualt weapons that have no prior experience and no clue on thr proper use of one? There are a lot of people that get training and practice a lot, but theres probably double or triple that many that don't.
If the inexperienced are also the criminal element, which you will have a percentage of, then I guess I would want to be the better trained one with assault weapons
As far as protection with weapons, training cannot be expressed enough as a necessary endeavor. In most cases, one will be at fairly close range with regard to a confrontation with "one of those idiots."
In my estimation, my first and primary weapon would be a shotgun. There are some out there with the capability of 6 rounds in the magazine and 1 in the chamber. And since it is a shotgun, if one was in the "survival" mode, it could be used for hunting large birds for food. However, in that capacity, the shotgun would need something to keep one from having too many rounds in the shotgun. Some states have a limit on the number of rounds that can be loaded within the shotgun.
Terry
Had to laugh at this one...my first thought was, survival mode, end of the world scenerio...and to think somebody would write me up for having too many shells in my shotgun if I'm shooting turkeys instead of zombies!!
Sorry, couldn't resist...I know what your getting at Terry, just having some fun with you...
The Dooms Day Preppers show was probably sponsored by the companies who sell food in bulk packaging
Most of the scenerio on the show revolve around a common theme, loss of the power grid. Not really in the same league as $15/gal fuel costs.
OK that's enough talk about $15 dollar fuel. Lets not give the Oil Barons any ideas.
I agree a shotgun is a good choice for self defense and survival situations.
The difference I see is that some "idiot" in survival mode is going to shoot at anything that moves.
This is also a concern of ours. I've been reading a lot by the "prepper" bloggers and they have begun to concern me due to a great lack of common sense. Will they be able to truly recognize their "enemy"? I don't know. We carry freeze dried items due to their weight and the fact we can actually store more. Katrina taught us to have a little extra on hand. Plus we are getting ready to begin dry camping and won't be making runs to the store. Personally I like the idea of being ready for what could happen. But mostly I like having enough on hand for self and others. All your comments on this matter were clear and full of plain ole horse sense and I find it refreshing after some of the forums I've been on. So Thanks.
Guess I said: "Live One Day At a time" was correct. On the morning of the 30th of March I was rushed to the hospital with a massive Heart Attack. I had 3 stints and an angioplasty; released on the 6th of April. I started work the 16th of April on light-duty. So far; so good. Pieere
Wow nothing like getting a Reality Check thats up close and personal. Good to hear you are on the mend, keep posting your progress.
Sending good thoughts your way for a speedy recovery.
When we were making the decision to buy our current 5th wheel, I watched a program about the predictions of Nostradamus. He predicted the world would end around the year 2000. My DW used this program to convince me to buy the 5th wheel. She said, "Look we will only have to make payments on it for 5 years and then the worl d will end. Let's enjoy it now "
We went to the dealer the next day and made the deal...I couldn't argue with her logic.
Now we are ready to replace the 5th wheel and the end of the world is coming up again this year. I guess it's time to get that luxury bus I've always wanted. I'll only have to pay on it until 12/21/2012 according to the Mayan Calendar.
Hey Bear I like your thinking, we are in the process of upgrading the 5ver, and I used the same logic on the DW. But we decided not to go to the extreme of the "Luxury Bus" just in case the predictions are a little off.
Crafter32024
Having that small BOB (Bug Out Bag) I think is a great idea for any unforseen situation that one may come accross. Given that one can not plan for all situations, you can prepare with some basics and hope for the best.
Everyone has had interesting feedback on this topic. I thank you all
Now, I think it is wise to hold off on buying new for the above reasons. After all, I can't seem to find any Mayans to confirm the accuracy of their calendar. So, do you suppose they didn't know as much as they thought and thus they are gone?
Personally, I liked the comment of a fellow on a shooter's forum on which I participate. His theory is that the guys that were working at chiseling in that calendar decided it was time for a beer break and then..............................................
I don't watch the show, but I was a Girl Scout so I do believe in being prepared. Our life now as mobile OSHA technicians has us on the road 24/7/365 so we don't have a way to store lots of provisions for any emergency. BUT ...
I always have canned, dried and EZ to prep food supplies on board. There are some simple items you can stock that you can find at WalMart, Trader Joes and such that are either canned or freeze dried that would work in such an emergency. And yes, I have them stashed in a backpack to grab in a hurry.
One of my favorite RV Authors Jaimie Hall Bruzenak posted the question on her blog, and it started quite a discussion in our household. Consequently, we now have a bailout bag with more in it that we did previously. I think positively that we won't need it, but that's because I have it :D
http://blog.rvlifestyleexperts.com/2011/04/rv-lifestyle-ezine-do-you-have-a-bailout-bag.html
Edit by moderator: Activate link. Terry
-- Edited by Terry and Jo on Sunday 22nd of April 2012 06:29:55 PM
Candace,
After I activated you link, I tested it to make sure it worked properly. I couldn't find a link on that website that took one to the particulars of a "bail-out bag."
You might want to verify the source for that "article."
Terry
I bought my Aliner as a bug-out vehicle after surviving Hurricane Katrina. I used it to successfully evacuate my family and pets for another hurricane. I certainly plan on using it in other disasters, including those made by man. When I got out of the Army I was a little paranoid - as that's what they trained us to be. I had a full ALICE pack BOB with NBC gear (full MOPP suits) and all the bells and whistles - military style, if you know what I mean. I've gotten older, reducing my physical abilities and that of my family, and my threat assessments changed. This required a complete change of plans.
I think the greatest threat we now face for an EOTWAWKI scenario is hyperinflation as a result of our current govt. overspending policies, though a terrorist threat is a high probability too, not to mention natural disasters which rank pretty high too, from a threat assessment standpoint. I don't believe a person could survive long in a fixed installation after a major disaster, from the lessons learned after Katrina. Being mobile in an RV, one could avoid large massed forces, while still being able to carry some food, ammo, survival equipt. etc. with you. An elite, class A type RV might get you profiled as a high value target, whereas an older, smaller rig might not alert the natives, so to speak. I believe in storing more ammo than food, because ammo will get you food and also permit you to keep your food from those who would steal it.
My tiny rig gets 22-25 mpg towing (and over 30 when not,) giving me a great range on a single tank of gas with a few extra fuel cans as back-up. When fuel is scarce and expensive this is very important. Who else remembers the gas lines and rationing of the 70's? I'm considering painting it cammie so it blends in better when set-up in the woods.
Have multiple evac. routes planned to multiple destinations and plan on leaving early - don't ask me how I know. Use maps, as GPS, cell, etc. will probably be down. Hidden food, ammo and fuel caches along the way or at proposed destinations help too.
Remember, carry cash, but if things really get bad it will be worthless, so also have junk silver and small gold coins for large purchases (like a tank full of fuel). I found out that your money in the bank is worthless when all branches of your bank are either destroyed or underwater. Beef jerky and seeds are good trade stock too. Don't forget fishing equipment (including a net), gardening supplies, meds., extra hygene supplies, sewing kit, extra clothing etc. in addition to quality camping gear- as you might be "camping" for quite awhile - like I was after Katrina. I plan on staying near a good source of water, so only filtration equipt. is needed. Water is very heavy to move, so I only carry 16 gallons for emergencies, as I have very limited carrying capacity, and where I live, water is plentiful.
Chip
Chip,
You have the best plan yet. Use of the RV as a bug-out vehicle (out early) is valuable. It is not too soon to be prepared. I strongly feel there is going to be a lot of problems over the next year. Hope for the best.
Thank you for serving our country too.
Sounds like a good plan to me. I too watch the show Doomsday Preppers. Some are just plain out of thier minds. Others have some pretty good ideas. 15 years worth of food? For me is pointless. Six months worth of supplies...top maxium. Knowing how to survive in the wild off of plants, Priceless information. Caches along a escape route. Good. Several different escape routes. Good. Staying inside a large city. Death sentence. Bug out Bag...Great for a multitude of situtations. Ammo/knife...good idea for multi-purpose use. Seeds...good and bad...can eat the sprouts...bad if you have to wait eight weeks for it to grow and mature. By the time it grows you could be dead. Medical supplies very handy but will run out. Best to know how to handle without supplies and what to substitute.
Personally for me, I perfer to be taken out in the first round. Would not want to stick around to see people shooting each other for food or in pain due to lack of medical supplies. Lawlessness would abound. I know for myself I would be with Jesus and that for me is so much better.
"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal." Matthew 6:19....for me this sums it up pretty good.
I think a person's mindset is the most important key to survival. Remember no matter how bad it gets, it will always get better in time. Some situations may take a while (it took several years for New Orleans to come back after Katrina, and there are some areas of the city that have never come back - and this was just for a regional emergency). If a larger area is affected then the recovery time will be longer, but it will get better over time. Don't lose hope. Look at the outstanding admirable example of the Japanese tsunami victims. Surely the dignity, civility and goodwill they displayed to each other during the some of the worse situations imaginable is insporing. When things seem blackest some lose hope and turn to suicide or make decisions compromising their principles which they later regret. Don't fall into this trap. Preparedness gives hope more than anything else. It helps us get in the mindset that we can get over the hump and live for a better day, if only for our children or grandchildren.
Chip
Hi!
Otis Lutz here from Florida.
We watch the "preppers" show and guess it is smart to be prepared. Agree with you that the RV is a great "bug out" unit.
I am going to add 6 solar panels this year so I can be ready whne the shtf. It would not take much for the system to be overloaded.
If you want to discuss it futher:
oplutz70@yahoo.co.uk