DH and I, (still waiting to sell house) were leaning very heavily towards a 36'+ fifth wheeler when we're ready to hit the road full time. However, in giving some thought to the possible "day in the life" practicalities, we're not sure 1) we'll be able to stay in as many places as we'd like with that length, and 2) we'll probably need to be hitching and unhitching quite often. It's possible we may need to significantly downsize. Unfortunately, I think a full size motorhome (class A) will be way beyond our budget.
Does anyone have experience making their home in a class C, and if so, what models should we explore that are up to the challenge? It should be my work will require full time internet, so having room for a satelite and possible desk space would be a plus. Would also like to have a separate bedroom area.
Thanks for the advice!
Bill Adams said
10:54 PM Dec 3, 2011
There are likely 1000's of class C owners who full time. Most also tow a vehicle to make the full-timing lifestyle even more simple. There are class C options from very small to very large (bigger than most class A models). Your needs and budget will determine what might or might not be right for you.
cherylbrv said
10:57 PM Dec 3, 2011
The tow vehicle is definitely a given, as dh will need to drive a minimum of a van of SUV for his contractor work. Hopefully some of those 1000s of owners will write a blub here about their experiences living in a small rv full time.
bjoyce said
07:53 AM Dec 4, 2011
I would start by going through the blogs and journals of RVers and find the ones with Class C's, http://www.hitchitch.com/links.html . Most are out enjoying the RV lifestyle and not on forums, or not on forums often.
-- Edited by bjoyce on Sunday 4th of December 2011 07:54:09 AM
GENECOP said
09:00 AM Dec 4, 2011
Check out Lazy Daze, a nice class C with excellent customer reviews, they sell factory direct, and have a good used market...
Bill Adams said
09:31 AM Dec 4, 2011
You will also have to balance small with your ability to tow the vehicle your DH will require. A van or SUV can mean a lot of weight so be sure that the RV you choose is capable of towing the van/SUV that you need.
GENECOP said
01:12 PM Dec 4, 2011
cherylbrv wrote:
Thanks, I'll look into that. It's actually Lazy DaZe.
Yes.....
NorCal Dan said
04:34 PM Dec 4, 2011
We had a Jamboree class C and it would not work for us for full-timing. Very little storage space, both inside and out. If you need to carry everything you own it would be near impossible with a class C vehicle. My other concern would be towing capacity for a toad.
cherylbrv said
04:48 PM Dec 4, 2011
Thanks, this is helpful. We will be going to the next 2 NJ RV shows (Jan in Edison and Feb in Atlantic City; possibly even Mar in NC) and will pay attention to that class (last few shows we only looked at As and 5ers). We'll pretend to live in it, plan out where are stuff goes. I have a hunch we may decide the hassle of hitching and finding convenient places to park will outweigh the inconvenience of lack of living space! I was hoping to hear lots of success stories here, but so far, none! That speaks volumes!
Old Snipe said
06:06 PM Dec 4, 2011
Check out the "Geeks on Tour" website. They traveled and ran a business for years out of a small Class C, then last year upsized to a Super C.
Best Regards!
rvingft said
06:30 PM Dec 4, 2011
Have you talked with the poster on this forum who goes by "Class C boondocker"?
They are now in a TT, but he may hame some insight for you.
GENECOP said
08:56 PM Dec 4, 2011
Plenty of people full-time in class C's. It's a personal choice, many couples full-time in things much smaller, there is a couple here who full-time in a 17ft Trailer.....
Bill Adams said
10:21 PM Dec 4, 2011
Yes, of course lots do full time in class C units. It's all about choices. You need to check out Tioga George! http://vagabonders-supreme.net/
-- Edited by Bill Adams on Sunday 4th of December 2011 10:22:27 PM
kb0zke said
08:53 PM Dec 12, 2011
Cheryl, I wouldn't be too quick to discount a Class A. I don't know what your budget is, or how old you are willing to go, but there are quite a few quality diesel pushers available for under $50,000, and most of them would be able to tow the van or suv you mention.
Our budget is $50,000 for the coach, toad, and a reserve, and there are several combinations that fit those numbers. PM me if you'd like to know what I've found so far in my research.
RVRon said
10:04 PM Dec 12, 2011
We've owned 2 class C motorhomes and at least as far as the models we owned, neither would have the storage or weight carrying capacity for full time living. When you go Class C shopping you'll need to pay very close attention to both the storage space available and the CCC, the Cargo Carrying Capacity of the rig. Our benchmarks are that you should have at least 100 cu. ft. of exterior storage space and a minimum of 2500 lbs. CCC. Remember, this is not a vacation trip you're planning... it's a replacement of your stick home!
Of course that's just us and there are plenty of fulltimers out there having a blast with their van conversions or Casita TT's and of course Class C motorhomes. If you can get along with a spartan existance and need few belongings then it might work for you too.
If you're looking at Class C's purely because they fit your budget you may be just as well off with an older Class A either gas or diesel unit. There are some real bargains to be had out there right now.
Good luck!
RVPAINTER said
02:34 PM Dec 13, 2011
I do not post or reply anymore - but I do check out the site as there are some folks who have a lot to pass on and have some pretty cool ideas. I thouhgt I could add to this posting. We looked at used Class A's at PPL and decided on a new 2012 - 31 foot one 10' slide out NEXUS Class C RV. It is being built now. We like the idea of NEW. We are minimalists in that several years ago we purged a lot of STUFF as we found our selves saying "why did we buy that - & that & that??? We have a saying "all you have is all you need." If we find ourselves needing something we first ask "what do we have that would work just as well?" Every RV has a total weight limit and I guess for us it boiled down to what do we really need. The more carrying capacity - the more STUFF YOU CAN BRING - sort of defeats the concept of getting rid of stuff. The NEXUS 31' has a large pass thru storage area under as well as several small storage areas. There is easy access storage under the bed - under the dinette benches - 2 pantries in the kitchen - also nice clothes storage in the bedroom and storage in the bathroom, storage over the cab in the full width entertainment center. We wil be towing a 2012 Honda Fit - 2,800 LBS +/- with a 5,000 Lb hitch. If needed possible rubbermaid storage containers here as the back seats fold down flat. Will there be enough storage - we think so and as I say we are minimalists. 2 coffee cups - one for DH and one for DW. We will be dressed neatly, looking GOOD - very striking couple!!!! So if you come knocking - bring your own coffee cup - there will be lots of good coffee and perhaps a treat of two.
We feel confident that storage will not be a problem for our life style and overloading will not be a problem for our Class C. Tis we own Ting. Class C fulltime - Yes for us it works as minimalists - but certainly not for everyone. We sold our S/B and won't be bringing it with us.
janni said
07:08 AM Dec 14, 2011
RVPAINTER, glad to see your post. He is correct and so are others. We tried to make it work in a 22 ft. b+ but we needed more room for our hobbies. If you aren't in love with "stuff" a class C will work well. To each their own.
RVRon said
07:23 AM Dec 14, 2011
RVPainter, glad to see your post... I know you did a ton of research before pulling the trigger on the Class C Nexus.
cherylbrv said
07:38 AM Dec 14, 2011
Thanks for all the great advice. Fortunately, we aren't in love with our "stuff" and are happily getting rid of most of it. Ok, perhaps DH is having some problems with all his computer components, but at least he understands.
Our next step is going to the next 2 RV shows in our area and pretending to live in each of the different styles. The last few shows we only played with the large As and 5ers. This time we'll give the Cs a chance. I think we really loved the look and feel of the large rigs - they felt more like a small apartment instead of a weekend camper.
But now, thinking more on a practical level (like wanting to be able to put it down wherever we want and not have size restrictions), perhaps needing to move every few days (pain to keep hitching and unhitching), maneuverability on small, narrow, winding roads, and being able to pull into any parking lot (i.e. going into a McDonald's in a small town) -- we have to weigh these things with the feeling we'll have when we just want to kick back and stay inside. The only way we can figure that out for now is by visiting the shows and pretending to live in it.
RVPAINTER said
06:12 PM Dec 14, 2011
RVRON - I don't think I've ever researched anything so completely. I've altered our saying somewhat to be "All you have is all you are going to get!" Some folks laugh and think we are crazy and others just plain don't believe us - but that's their issue. We pickup our 31' NEXUS on April 4 and that starts our F/T Journey. Thanks for all the help and assistance you've given me - it is greatly appreciated.
cherylbrv said
06:18 PM Dec 14, 2011
I checked out the Nexus site and I think I'm in love!!! If we do decide on a class C (and since I've put a list of pros & cons together, it seems that's the way we're strongly leaning), it seems far superior to the Lazy Daze and Born Free brands. It's really beautiful.
If you're in the NJ area after you get your new home, I hope I can come and visit!
Good luck!
Sherry said
07:19 PM Dec 14, 2011
You are right in thinking that length often determines where you can camp. Anything over 35' is out in a lot of national parks. And even those that have spaces for bigger RVs have limited numbers of them which often means the dreaded "reservations". If you have a 25' or a 30' you are good to go in nearly any place. But few couples live in something as small as a 25' although many singles do. And such a rig would not be able to pull a van or SUV for sure. BUT you could drive it separately if you wanted.
RVPAINTER said
07:21 PM Dec 14, 2011
The innovations used in these RV's are just amazing - fully enclosed in steel etc etc and the standard features are mostly options with other Mfger's. I think they perhaps are superior to Lazy Daze and Born Free IMHO. Call Claude or David and tell them you were talking to me -Dick Secor - they are wonderful folks to work with. We will be all up and down the East Coast - There is a fellow who lives in NJ and just picked up his 24' Nexus - if you want, private message me and I can give you some info where he can be reached. I no longer post or reply very much at all here anymore so I may not return for months so PM me if you like. I'd rather talk outside the forums.
dczrose said
09:06 PM Dec 15, 2011
Just some info that may help you in your decesion on an RV size.
Dave and I and our two dogs (a 120 lb Lab and a 30 lb mixed breed) have been living in a 1983 23/24ft. Coachmen Class C for almost 6 months now. We converted the over- cab bunk into storage and use as a shelf area for our 19" flat screen TV/DVD combo. The original couch/table convert had already been replaced when we purchased it so there is now a -removable- table and two swivel captains chairs. Double cabinet space above this plus a window shelf (where original cushions rested for the "couch") give me lots of storage for books/office supplies and general needs. My laptop and small printer are stored on the shelf unless we are driving and I then rest those under the table on the floor.
The foot area over the bed in back already had two large/wide wire shelving units that I use for clothing/towels and we put two more smaller ones on the opposite wall -above head-bang- that holds sheets/pillow cases. The original double closet area in the "hallway" with wire shelves in the bottom give us lots of clothing storage along with 4 small drawers in the bottom.
The kitchen area across from the table has cabinets above and below plus double shelf storage above the 'fridge and bottom storage area below.
The bathroom has very minimal storage so I keep most of the things there in a "carry-all" that rests in the shower and can be set out on the commode when in the shower. There is a small area under the sink I use for extra toilet tissue storage/wash cloths and I put in some small shelves in there to hold make up, brushes, combs etc- when we are stationary. These items rest on a towel in the sink when we are traveling. There IS a wall width? narrow depth medicine cabinet that holds jsut that- medications/first aid kit etc.
We have also utilized some plastic storage units we picked up at Wal- Mart that fit here and there- one under the table that has four small drawers and holds extra electrical, computer hook up needs, batteries etc. along with trash bags. Makes a good foot rest for me- Another tall thin plastic unit I found at a garage sale with narrow deep pull out drawers we mounted along side the sink area coming in the doorway. Perfect for cleaning supplies. There are four pull out storage drawers under the double sinks and cabinet area beside this for pots/pans. The electric stove top is beside the sink and a combo microwave/convection oven is beneath this.
Plastic tubs (the smaller ones from Dollar General- with lids) fit perfectly in the converted bunk space over the driver area that hold extra bedding/pillows and seasonal clothing. We use three of these there and then utilize the space between these to put things that fit (extra paper towels and dog food to name a few).
Dave keeps two narrow tool boxes behind the drivers seat along with the outside "basement" storage. The RV also has a luggage rack on top that holds our extra tent and other lightweight items in a plastic tub along with his tools-of-trade: ropes and saws wrapped in two tarps.
We are in search of a small vehicle to tow and to use as extra transportation. We wanted to see how our Coachmen would work as to living and gas milage before we decided on a tow vehicle or motorcycle.
After living in several houses and apartments with lots of closet space full of things we never used and with rooms we seldom stepped into- downsizing into the RV was not hard.
Do I sometimes wish for a bit more room? Sure- especially when its rainy and I am stuck inside with the two dogs and Dave glued to the TV- but I just think of the amount of rooms I use to have to clean and dust and I stop wishing-
We move around alot. In six months we have traveled from the East Coast to Texas twice with many stops in between. We visit family for a few days and then head out for a new -chosen- destination. I like to stay where its warm so I guess we have become (gasp) SNOWBIRDS!
MrToad said
11:23 PM Dec 17, 2011
Hi Cherylbrv - If you are interested in a Nexus I would wait until 2013 as Ford have recently announed that they are doing away with the Ford Econoline (E Series) chassis (as currently used by Nexus). Ford will be replacing the E Series with the far more stylish, and fuel efficient European Ford Transit chassis. So if you can wait until 2013 you will be able to purchase a more updated chassis for your Nexus. Hopefully too the adoption of a European chassis will bring about the incorporation of European styling to the interior of the majority of US RVs which haven't changed much since the '60s.
cherylbrv said
09:20 AM Dec 18, 2011
thanks for that heads up. At the rate our house is selling (not), we'll be lucky if we can buy by 2020!!!
Today, while making breakfast, I was thinking about how much more living space, especially counter and cooking space is in the big rigs.
RVRon said
10:12 AM Dec 18, 2011
cherylbrv wrote:
thanks for that heads up. At the rate our house is selling (not), we'll be lucky if we can buy by 2020!!!
Today, while making breakfast, I was thinking about how much more living space, especially counter and cooking space is in the big rigs.
If you're the kind of person who enjoys the kitchen you'll definitely want some counter space. A lot of rigs have the sink and stove jammed together with no workable open counter space. That leaves no place to put a dish drainer or even prepare food. Open counter space was one of our requirements. The RV manufacturers fool you with pictures of expansive countertop areas but with covers over the sink and stove. It looks like a lot of space but when you're actually using the stove or sink you're left with little space remaining.
-- Edited by RVRon on Sunday 18th of December 2011 10:13:57 AM
melandu said
02:24 PM Dec 18, 2011
Cheryl,
Its right about what ever you prefer, but we have been full timing for over a year now and we are very very comfortable, in our 38ft Carri-Lite fiver. We have more than enough room in our U shaped kitchen and plenty of room in the living area. We do have 5 slides so that helps. As far as hooking and unhooking, it takes us about 15 to 20 minutes. I do the outside and the wife does the inside. There are some really nice fivers out there now adays. We haven't had any trouble getting into any parks either, so like I said, its just whatever you would like to have. I would look at all the rigs. Just my opinion.
Mel
2008 Carri-Lite Emerald 2011 F350 Ford Diesel
cherylbrv said
02:35 PM Dec 18, 2011
Melandu - how often do you have to hook/unhook? I also wonder if you want to visit with friends/family, if there is any place nearby to put the rig rather than having to stay at a campground? Will it fit in an average driveway?
Terry and Jo said
03:07 PM Dec 18, 2011
I'd like to go back to Mr. Toad's comment about the Nexus being built on the Transit chassis kit in the future. From what I've seen of the Transits, they appear to be smaller than Ford's E-series vans. If that is true, future Nexus units, or any others going to the Transit, will likely be smaller than what is currently available.
Now, that said, I would suggest a trip to an RV show so you can see the differences between Class C's, small Class A's, and various trailers. If you see the need for a "sizeable" kitchen counter area, then you may need to go with the Class A's or the fifth wheels. (Most travel trailers that I have seen were limited with counter space.)
As for traveling, I know of a number of folks that hook-up to their fifth wheels every few days and move on. Some even unhook the truck everytime they stop, whether it is for a "one night stay" or not.
As for staying in relative's driveways, you would more likely be limited by the availability of electricity for your unit. Few folks would have even 30 amp service at their homes. While you can get adapters that allow one to plug a 30 amp cable into a regular 120V outlet, there won't be much in the RV that you can use at one time before you tripped the breaker in the house where you were visiting.
However, it looks like you have a year or two to do your research, and that is a good thing. Don't rush into anything without literally sitting down in the various units and imaginine yourselve living within that space.
Good luck with it all.
Terry
cherylbrv said
04:21 PM Dec 18, 2011
Terry and Jo wrote:As for staying in relative's driveways, you would more likely be limited by the availability of electricity for your unit. Few folks would have even 30 amp service at their homes. While you can get adapters that allow one to plug a 30 amp cable into a regular 120V outlet, there won't be much in the RV that you can use at one time before you tripped the breaker in the house where you were visiting.
We plan to do a bit of boondocking and solar panels are in the plans, so there shouldn't be the need for using friends' electric.
Terry and Jo said
05:40 PM Dec 18, 2011
Well, I must now correct myself. I guess this comes with not being a "car-guy" and keeping up with automotive news. Apparently there is a larger Transit van that will be coming to the U.S. market, thus Mr. Toad's comment could be very true with regards to Nexus using this model.
Here is a link to an article from the October Car and Driver:
I contacted the President of NEXUS and he asked me to post his response to the E series and Transit series post by Mr. Toad:
Dick
Could you post the following as a response.
Over the last two years Ford has remained focus on building the best most unique products in the automobile and truck industry. The same holds true for the E series Vehicles which are used in the ambulance and RV segments. Ford has announced some early detail regarding a new product they are going to offer that will compete with the smaller lighter weight cut a way chassis like the Sprinter from Dodge.
This new entry will not replace the E450/E350 series which have higher GVWR's, but will accomodate the smaller 19-23" without a slide products that are in the market today. Reports indicate that the GVWR will be around 10700lbs-11,000lbs. The engine is a gas engine and in the future they expect to have a diesel engine.
We at Nexus RV are very excited at the prospect of continue our exclusive relationship with Ford Motor Company and we are excited to see they are responding to the marketplace. We will not jump right in, we will take our time and make sure the product from Ford and our engineering result in the best product in it's class. Also, pricing has not been released. We are certain that the price point will be much higher than the current 20-23' Class C, so if price is a concern you may want to buy the current configurationj in the event Ford doesnt move forward with the smaller current chassis E350.
Ford plans are developing, but peoples need for RVing continues daily. Dont wait to fulfill your plans of Rving. If the new product is that hot, trade your 2 year old Nexus Rv in for a new one. Because you bought factory direct from us, you have already save lots of money.
Claude Donati President Nexus RV
melandu said
02:12 PM Dec 19, 2011
Cheryl, We took along vacation this past summer and we hooked and unhooked about every 2 to 3 days and moved on to the next campground. Didn't have any trouble finding a campground big enough for our rig. Fivers are not hard to backup into a site if you need to backup instead of pull thru. Hope that helps some.
Mel
2008 Carri-Lite Emerald 2011 F350 Ford Diesel
MrToad said
11:06 AM Dec 20, 2011
RVPAINTER wrote:
"Ford plans are developing, but peoples need for RVing continues daily. Dont wait to fulfill your plans of Rving. If the new product is that hot, trade your 2 year old Nexus Rv in for a new one. Because you bought factory direct from us, you have already save lots of money.
Claude Donati President Nexus RV"
Not too surprising a response from Nexus - they are obviously worried that customers might delay purchasing a RV from them until 2013 in favor of the newer Ford chassis. And as if everyone can afford to trade in their RV after 2 years for a newer model. What gets me is their suggestion that because you have saved money in buying from them, customers need not worry about the depreciation (which will likely be substantial given that it is built on the E Series chassis) on their 2012 model when they come to trade it in.
So I am sorry Cherylbrv that you are finding it difficult to sell your home, but the delay might be a mixed blessing. Check out www.tributemotorhomes.co.uk for an idea of what the T Series motorhomes might look like. I am sure that slide outs will be incorporated in the US models (similar to the Navion Sprinter models) so there will be more interior space.
RVRon said
11:58 AM Dec 20, 2011
MrToad wrote:
RVPAINTER wrote:
"Ford plans are developing, but peoples need for RVing continues daily. Dont wait to fulfill your plans of Rving. If the new product is that hot, trade your 2 year old Nexus Rv in for a new one. Because you bought factory direct from us, you have already save lots of money.
Claude Donati President Nexus RV"
Not too surprising a response from Nexus - they are obviously worried that customers might delay purchasing a RV from them until 2013 in favor of the newer Ford chassis. And as if everyone can afford to trade in their RV after 2 years for a newer model. What gets me is their suggestion that because you have saved money in buying from them, customers need not worry about the depreciation (which will likely be substantial given that it is built on the E Series chassis) on their 2012 model when they come to trade it in.
So I am sorry Cherylbrv that you are finding it difficult to sell your home, but the delay might be a mixed blessing. Check out www.tributemotorhomes.co.uk for an idea of what the T Series motorhomes might look like. I am sure that slide outs will be incorporated in the US models (similar to the Navion Sprinter models) so there will be more interior space.
After looking at the Tribute Motorhomes site I think I'd agree with what Mr. Donati of Nexus had to say about the new Ford chassis. With a GVWR rating of around 11,000 lbs it isn't really suited for anything but small, short motorhomes. Tribute's longest model is 6.95 meters in length, that's only 22.8 feet. None of them have slides and their GVWR (what they call Maximum Authorised Weight) is a skimpy 7716 lbs. Not what I would call suitable for full time living but I'm sure there are spartan folks out there that are making things like this work for them.
It's obvious that Ford is bringing this chassis to the USA to compete with the Dodge Sprinter platform. They currently don't have anything that is on that same level. Is it "better" than the current E-series chassis? I'd have to say it depends on what you're looking for. If you're in the market for a short, maneuverable RV that you can take anywhere and park in most parking lots it would be just the ticket. If you're looking at making it your fulltime home and packing in it everything you own, not so much.
Sure, it's obvious that Mr. Donati is in the business of selling motorhomes but his advice to buy sooner than later in this circumstance is spot on. I see nothing in looking at the new chassis that would make me wait to buy unless I was in the market for a part time weekend/vacation rig.
Terry and Jo said
02:13 PM Dec 20, 2011
In discussing this with another RV Dreams forum participant, I went looking and found this article at Car and Driver. In the story, they reference Ford trademarking the designators of different "T" levels, which would be similar to the "E" designators. They are looking at different numbers such as T-250, T-450 and T-550.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Ford ends up doing with the new Transit. It will be interesting to see what the weight ratings will be, considering the mention of 450 and 550.
FWIW I found that " just trade in after 2 year comment a bit Odd....no matter what you spend "or save" trading in always costs money......
PommyRV said
01:50 PM Dec 24, 2011
Totally agree Mr Toad. My wife and I just returned from the UK where we rented a Tibute Motorhome for two months. We found it very spacious - we also had our two children with us. I know what you mean about RVs in the US. We are looking at buying one here, but they all look like inside of sleazy motels! Wish I could import one from Europe.
Terry and Jo said
10:39 PM Dec 26, 2011
While there are RV's with less attractive features here in the United States, even if one could import a foreign RV here it would have to be configured and built for the U.S. market. For instance, the electric in Europe is 50 cycle instead of 60 cycle.
That said, the reference that "all look like sleazy motels" is probably a bit of a stretch of a statement, unless one can document what brands/models were looked at and specify what made them look sleazy.
I have looked at a lot of RV's at dealerships and RV shows and I would have to disagree with that statement. That said, I have not looked at all Class C brands/models, so some may be bad. Also, everyone's opinion is generally subjective and not objective, so a blanket comparison is also somewhat misleading.
Terry
MrToad said
11:14 PM Dec 28, 2011
LOL PommyRV. Agree with your sleazy motel comment. However, there are some C classes available in the US that are fairly tasteful inside - but IMHO these tend to be the ones manufactured north of the border. Hope to see what examples you give Terry & Jo in response to his request, but then you might run the risk of offending people who own them - very sensitive bunch! OTY. I am pleased to help out with examples.
GENECOP said
06:55 AM Dec 29, 2011
The two nicest units available in the states are Coachhouse (FLORIDA) and Liesure Travel (Canada) in general like it or not when it comes to Autos and RV's the USA lags behind Europe and Asia as it pertains to Style.....I was encouraged by what I saw at the Hershey Show. Many of the large companies are beginning to think about styling, streamlining surfaces, and getting on board that the market does care about Style. The USA eventually gets there, we just take our design Q's from Europe.
cherylbrv said
11:30 AM Dec 30, 2011
Ok, again I appreciate everyone's good advice and suggestions!
To change the question a little -- assuming we're willing to give up luxury amenities (such as the fireplace and extra 10' of length) and go with a MH (we'll know more after visiting the next 2 RV shows and "living" in them). But for argument sake - let's say we're happy to settle with a length of 29-32'. What are the pros and cons of a larger Class C versus a smaller class A?
RVRon said
12:54 PM Dec 30, 2011
No matter what RV you choose I'd concentrate on storage capacity and cargo carrying (weight) capacity. In general I think you'll find a bit more capacity in a small Class A simply because the chassis has a higher GVWR.
Also take a look at the rear overhang of some of the longer Class C RVs. The wheel base is still short but the overhang at the rear is huge. It becomes a problem making tight turns because of the wide swing of that huge overhang. Any heavy loading at the rear will have a leveraged effect on the steering too, effectively making the front lighter.
A plus of a shorter rig is maneuverability and a wider choice of campsites. We've found if you stay under 35 ft. there are a LOT more sites available. Under 30 ft. even more so.
If you haven't done so, check out the Serrano Class A models by Thor. Great storage capacity and diesel. Friends have one and just love it. Avg. 11 mpg.
RVPAINTER said
03:42 PM Dec 30, 2011
From my observations and readings Fulltimers - just plain bring too much ''STUFF" with them - I thought getting rid of "STUFF" was part and parcel of fulltiming in an RV.
The 31' NEXUS Class C being built for me has the chassis "extended" right at the NEXUS factory as Ford has authorized NEXUS as a qualified "CHASSIS EXTENDER" Quite a title EH!!!
I'm confident that we will have enough space for the "stuff" we bring. Being "minimalists" 1 coffee cup each etc etc :>) There is no doubt one can store more "STUFF" in a Class A - however that said is all the "STUFF" really needed? It almost seems folks get REALLY BIG RVs so they can have more stuff!??! I saw a photo the other day of a S/B home being moved across town - first thought that came to mind was WOW someone will do this soon and call it an "EXTENDED Class E RV." LOL :>)
Each of us pick our RV for many reasons - price for most of us is high on the list. I guess one can only hope that we can part with some of our "STUFF" and K.I.S.S or as we say "what you have is all you need - or what you have is all you are going to get.
Good cause and justification for pretty much any Class and any size.
Good discussion for the most part.
GENECOP said
04:40 PM Dec 30, 2011
cherylbrv wrote:
Ok, again I appreciate everyone's good advice and suggestions!
To change the question a little -- assuming we're willing to give up luxury amenities (such as the fireplace and extra 10' of length) and go with a MH (we'll know more after visiting the next 2 RV shows and "living" in them). But for argument sake - let's say we're happy to settle with a length of 29-32'. What are the pros and cons of a larger Class C versus a smaller class A?
The main difference as far as I am concerned which is very important is service. A class C is built on a standard truck chassis. There are thousands of parts and service centers happy to work on them for a fair price. The same can not be said for a class A....
NorCal Dan said
08:49 PM Dec 30, 2011
You sound a lot like us when we decided to change our lifestyle. We hand no RV experience. We were so clueless we didn't even know what questions to ask. We bought a used, but well cared for, 1984 30' Jamboree class C. Our objective from the beginning was always to sell everything and go full-timing. When we took trips in our class C we kept our eyes on the objective. We found things we liked and some we didn't, but we were learning and that was the important thing. It gave us the confidence to shop for the full-time rig with some background experience and allowed us to focus on what important to us.
Bill Adams said
09:06 PM Dec 30, 2011
I suspect that, in general, most RVers start our there travels with way more stuff than they need. We try to do a review once per year (sometimes we skip a year) and if we have not use something during that time period we get rid of it. We have never accumulated the vast assortment of stuff (junk) that we did in our house but it's really surprising how much stuff just seems to creep up on you. Inside, we keep all table tops clear other than possibly a lighting fixture or one ornamental object (no exceptions here). The dinner table is just that and not a place to store dry goods or the like. The bedroom is just that. Again, not a storage place but a wonderful, clean, relaxing, sexy, cozy place for the 2 of us to enjoy each others company and get a good nights sleep. While our cats do not always have the same thought about what the bedroom should be, the bedroom remains a luxurious sanctuary for us and not a pile of junk. The storage bays outside is where I encounter my biggest challenge. If it fits and I don't need to fit anything new in there, why do I really need to get rid of all that sandpaper or the gear puller I bought some many years ago to use only once? Some stuff needs to be there, I get that, but not ALL of that stuff needs to be taking up space and weighing down my RV for years and years.
kb0zke said
09:12 PM Dec 30, 2011
Bill, we both know that stuff expands to fill the available space. We're really working on downsizing, but sometimes I think that stuff comes in faster than it goes out. I'm thinking that on our first snow day this year I'm going to go out to the shop, clear off the 4x12' table completely, and put every took we own on it. Then I'll repack the tool boxes, reload the tool racks, and whatever is left will go on the garage sale pile. Maybe then I'll find all of the pliers I've purchased over the past 40 years.
Terry and Jo said
10:02 PM Dec 30, 2011
I think the subject was brought up about the rear overhang of a Class C, which would not be an issue with a Class A. In a tight turn, there is always that need to carefully watch the "swing" of that rear overhang.
Another difference to consider is the turning radius. Unless the Class C is built on a Ford F450 chassis, it might not have a tighter turning radius. When we traded for our F450 pickup, we traded in a pickup that was a full three feet shorter then the F450, but the F450 turns in the same radius of the shorter truck.
When researching our RV needs, we looked at two different Tiffin Phaeton Class A motorhomes and both of those had a phenomenal turning radius. That allowed it to turn in places that I as a former 18-wheeler operator would never have believe it could go.
As an example, check out this blog link and look at the photos at the bottom. You will notice a "gate" in the fence to the right of the parking lot. Our salesman drove up to that gate from the left side of the picture and was able to put both a 40' and a 42' Phaeton though that gate, even with the trailer in the way on the other side of the gate. Needless to say, I was impressed.
You can click on each picture to make them larger.
DH and I, (still waiting to sell house) were leaning very heavily towards a 36'+ fifth wheeler when we're ready to hit the road full time. However, in giving some thought to the possible "day in the life" practicalities, we're not sure 1) we'll be able to stay in as many places as we'd like with that length, and 2) we'll probably need to be hitching and unhitching quite often. It's possible we may need to significantly downsize. Unfortunately, I think a full size motorhome (class A) will be way beyond our budget.
Does anyone have experience making their home in a class C, and if so, what models should we explore that are up to the challenge? It should be my work will require full time internet, so having room for a satelite and possible desk space would be a plus. Would also like to have a separate bedroom area.
Thanks for the advice!
The tow vehicle is definitely a given, as dh will need to drive a minimum of a van of SUV for his contractor work. Hopefully some of those 1000s of owners will write a blub here about their experiences living in a small rv full time.
I would start by going through the blogs and journals of RVers and find the ones with Class C's, http://www.hitchitch.com/links.html . Most are out enjoying the RV lifestyle and not on forums, or not on forums often.
-- Edited by bjoyce on Sunday 4th of December 2011 07:54:09 AM
Check out the "Geeks on Tour" website. They traveled and ran a business for years out of a small Class C, then last year upsized to a Super C.
Best Regards!
They are now in a TT, but he may hame some insight for you.
Yes, of course lots do full time in class C units. It's all about choices.
You need to check out Tioga George!
http://vagabonders-supreme.net/
-- Edited by Bill Adams on Sunday 4th of December 2011 10:22:27 PM
Our budget is $50,000 for the coach, toad, and a reserve, and there are several combinations that fit those numbers. PM me if you'd like to know what I've found so far in my research.
We've owned 2 class C motorhomes and at least as far as the models we owned, neither would have the storage or weight carrying capacity for full time living. When you go Class C shopping you'll need to pay very close attention to both the storage space available and the CCC, the Cargo Carrying Capacity of the rig. Our benchmarks are that you should have at least 100 cu. ft. of exterior storage space and a minimum of 2500 lbs. CCC. Remember, this is not a vacation trip you're planning... it's a replacement of your stick home!
Of course that's just us and there are plenty of fulltimers out there having a blast with their van conversions or Casita TT's and of course Class C motorhomes. If you can get along with a spartan existance and need few belongings then it might work for you too.
If you're looking at Class C's purely because they fit your budget you may be just as well off with an older Class A either gas or diesel unit. There are some real bargains to be had out there right now.
Good luck!
Will there be enough storage - we think so and as I say we are minimalists. 2 coffee cups - one for DH and one for DW.
We will be dressed neatly, looking GOOD - very striking couple!!!! So if you come knocking - bring your own coffee cup - there will be lots of good coffee and perhaps a treat of two.
We feel confident that storage will not be a problem for our life style and overloading will not be a problem for our Class C. Tis we own Ting. Class C fulltime - Yes for us it works as minimalists - but certainly not for everyone. We sold our S/B and won't be bringing it with us.
RVPainter, glad to see your post... I know you did a ton of research before pulling the trigger on the Class C Nexus.
Our next step is going to the next 2 RV shows in our area and pretending to live in each of the different styles. The last few shows we only played with the large As and 5ers. This time we'll give the Cs a chance. I think we really loved the look and feel of the large rigs - they felt more like a small apartment instead of a weekend camper.
But now, thinking more on a practical level (like wanting to be able to put it down wherever we want and not have size restrictions), perhaps needing to move every few days (pain to keep hitching and unhitching), maneuverability on small, narrow, winding roads, and being able to pull into any parking lot (i.e. going into a McDonald's in a small town) -- we have to weigh these things with the feeling we'll have when we just want to kick back and stay inside. The only way we can figure that out for now is by visiting the shows and pretending to live in it.
I checked out the Nexus site and I think I'm in love!!! If we do decide on a class C (and since I've put a list of pros & cons together, it seems that's the way we're strongly leaning), it seems far superior to the Lazy Daze and Born Free brands. It's really beautiful.
If you're in the NJ area after you get your new home, I hope I can come and visit!
Good luck!
You are right in thinking that length often determines where you can camp. Anything over 35' is out in a lot of national parks. And even those that have spaces for bigger RVs have limited numbers of them which often means the dreaded "reservations". If you have a 25' or a 30' you are good to go in nearly any place. But few couples live in something as small as a 25' although many singles do. And such a rig would not be able to pull a van or SUV for sure. BUT you could drive it separately if you wanted.
I no longer post or reply very much at all here anymore so I may not return for months so PM me if you like. I'd rather talk outside the forums.
Just some info that may help you in your decesion on an RV size.
Dave and I and our two dogs (a 120 lb Lab and a 30 lb mixed breed) have been living in a 1983 23/24ft. Coachmen Class C for almost 6 months now. We converted the over- cab bunk into storage and use as a shelf area for our 19" flat screen TV/DVD combo. The original couch/table convert had already been replaced when we purchased it so there is now a -removable- table and two swivel captains chairs. Double cabinet space above this plus a window shelf (where original cushions rested for the "couch") give me lots of storage for books/office supplies and general needs. My laptop and small printer are stored on the shelf unless we are driving and I then rest those under the table on the floor.
The foot area over the bed in back already had two large/wide wire shelving units that I use for clothing/towels and we put two more smaller ones on the opposite wall -above head-bang-
that holds sheets/pillow cases. The original double closet area in the "hallway" with wire shelves in the bottom give us lots of clothing storage along with 4 small drawers in the bottom.
The kitchen area across from the table has cabinets above and below plus double shelf storage above the 'fridge and bottom storage area below.
The bathroom has very minimal storage so I keep most of the things there in a "carry-all" that rests in the shower and can be set out on the commode when in the shower. There is a small area under the sink I use for extra toilet tissue storage/wash cloths and I put in some small shelves in there to hold make up, brushes, combs etc- when we are stationary. These items rest on a towel in the sink when we are traveling. There IS a wall width? narrow depth medicine cabinet that holds jsut that- medications/first aid kit etc.
We have also utilized some plastic storage units we picked up at Wal- Mart that fit here and there- one under the table that has four small drawers and holds extra electrical, computer hook up needs, batteries etc. along with trash bags. Makes a good foot rest for me-
Another tall thin plastic unit I found at a garage sale with narrow deep pull out drawers we mounted along side the sink area coming in the doorway. Perfect for cleaning supplies. There are four pull out storage drawers under the double sinks and cabinet area beside this for pots/pans. The electric stove top is beside the sink and a combo microwave/convection oven is beneath this.
Plastic tubs (the smaller ones from Dollar General- with lids) fit perfectly in the converted bunk space over the driver area that hold extra bedding/pillows and seasonal clothing. We use three of these there and then utilize the space between these to put things that fit (extra paper towels and dog food to name a few).
Dave keeps two narrow tool boxes behind the drivers seat along with the outside "basement" storage. The RV also has a luggage rack on top that holds our extra tent and other lightweight items in a plastic tub along with his tools-of-trade: ropes and saws wrapped in two tarps.
We are in search of a small vehicle to tow and to use as extra transportation. We wanted to see how our Coachmen would work as to living and gas milage before we decided on a tow vehicle or motorcycle.
After living in several houses and apartments with lots of closet space full of things we never used and with rooms we seldom stepped into- downsizing into the RV was not hard.
Do I sometimes wish for a bit more room? Sure- especially when its rainy and I am stuck inside with the two dogs and Dave glued to the TV- but I just think of the amount of rooms I use to have to clean and dust and I stop wishing-
We move around alot. In six months we have traveled from the East Coast to Texas twice with many stops in between. We visit family for a few days and then head out for a new -chosen- destination. I like to stay where its warm so I guess we have become (gasp) SNOWBIRDS!
thanks for that heads up. At the rate our house is selling (not), we'll be lucky if we can buy by 2020!!!
Today, while making breakfast, I was thinking about how much more living space, especially counter and cooking space is in the big rigs.
If you're the kind of person who enjoys the kitchen you'll definitely want some counter space. A lot of rigs have the sink and stove jammed together with no workable open counter space. That leaves no place to put a dish drainer or even prepare food. Open counter space was one of our requirements. The RV manufacturers fool you with pictures of expansive countertop areas but with covers over the sink and stove. It looks like a lot of space but when you're actually using the stove or sink you're left with little space remaining.
-- Edited by RVRon on Sunday 18th of December 2011 10:13:57 AM
Its right about what ever you prefer, but we have been full timing for over a year now and we are very very comfortable, in our 38ft Carri-Lite fiver. We have more than enough room in our U shaped kitchen and plenty of room in the living area. We do have 5 slides so that helps. As far as hooking and unhooking, it takes us about 15 to 20 minutes. I do the outside and the wife does the inside. There are some really nice fivers out there now adays. We haven't had any trouble getting into any parks either, so like I said, its just whatever you would like to have. I would look at all the rigs.
Just my opinion.
Mel
2008 Carri-Lite Emerald
2011 F350 Ford Diesel
Melandu - how often do you have to hook/unhook? I also wonder if you want to visit with friends/family, if there is any place nearby to put the rig rather than having to stay at a campground? Will it fit in an average driveway?
I'd like to go back to Mr. Toad's comment about the Nexus being built on the Transit chassis kit in the future. From what I've seen of the Transits, they appear to be smaller than Ford's E-series vans. If that is true, future Nexus units, or any others going to the Transit, will likely be smaller than what is currently available.
Now, that said, I would suggest a trip to an RV show so you can see the differences between Class C's, small Class A's, and various trailers. If you see the need for a "sizeable" kitchen counter area, then you may need to go with the Class A's or the fifth wheels. (Most travel trailers that I have seen were limited with counter space.)
As for traveling, I know of a number of folks that hook-up to their fifth wheels every few days and move on. Some even unhook the truck everytime they stop, whether it is for a "one night stay" or not.
As for staying in relative's driveways, you would more likely be limited by the availability of electricity for your unit. Few folks would have even 30 amp service at their homes. While you can get adapters that allow one to plug a 30 amp cable into a regular 120V outlet, there won't be much in the RV that you can use at one time before you tripped the breaker in the house where you were visiting.
However, it looks like you have a year or two to do your research, and that is a good thing. Don't rush into anything without literally sitting down in the various units and imaginine yourselve living within that space.
Good luck with it all.
Terry
We plan to do a bit of boondocking and solar panels are in the plans, so there shouldn't be the need for using friends' electric.
Well, I must now correct myself. I guess this comes with not being a "car-guy" and keeping up with automotive news. Apparently there is a larger Transit van that will be coming to the U.S. market, thus Mr. Toad's comment could be very true with regards to Nexus using this model.
Here is a link to an article from the October Car and Driver:
Full Size Ford Transit
Terry
Dick
Could you post the following as a response.
Over the last two years Ford has remained focus on building the best most unique products in the automobile and truck industry. The same holds true for the E series Vehicles which are used in the ambulance and RV segments. Ford has announced some early detail regarding a new product they are going to offer that will compete with the smaller lighter weight cut a way chassis like the Sprinter from Dodge.
This new entry will not replace the E450/E350 series which have higher GVWR's, but will accomodate the smaller 19-23" without a slide products that are in the market today. Reports indicate that the GVWR will be around 10700lbs-11,000lbs. The engine is a gas engine and in the future they expect to have a diesel engine.
We at Nexus RV are very excited at the prospect of continue our exclusive relationship with Ford Motor Company and we are excited to see they are responding to the marketplace. We will not jump right in, we will take our time and make sure the product from Ford and our engineering result in the best product in it's class. Also, pricing has not been released. We are certain that the price point will be much higher than the current 20-23' Class C, so if price is a concern you may want to buy the current configurationj in the event Ford doesnt move forward with the smaller current chassis E350.
Ford plans are developing, but peoples need for RVing continues daily. Dont wait to fulfill your plans of Rving. If the new product is that hot, trade your 2 year old Nexus Rv in for a new one. Because you bought factory direct from us, you have already save lots of money.
Claude Donati
President
Nexus RV
We took along vacation this past summer and we hooked and unhooked about every 2 to 3 days and moved on to the next campground. Didn't have any trouble finding a campground big enough for our rig. Fivers are not hard to backup into a site if you need to backup instead of pull thru. Hope that helps some.
Mel
2008 Carri-Lite Emerald
2011 F350 Ford Diesel
After looking at the Tribute Motorhomes site I think I'd agree with what Mr. Donati of Nexus had to say about the new Ford chassis. With a GVWR rating of around 11,000 lbs it isn't really suited for anything but small, short motorhomes. Tribute's longest model is 6.95 meters in length, that's only 22.8 feet. None of them have slides and their GVWR (what they call Maximum Authorised Weight) is a skimpy 7716 lbs. Not what I would call suitable for full time living but I'm sure there are spartan folks out there that are making things like this work for them.
It's obvious that Ford is bringing this chassis to the USA to compete with the Dodge Sprinter platform. They currently don't have anything that is on that same level. Is it "better" than the current E-series chassis? I'd have to say it depends on what you're looking for. If you're in the market for a short, maneuverable RV that you can take anywhere and park in most parking lots it would be just the ticket. If you're looking at making it your fulltime home and packing in it everything you own, not so much.
Sure, it's obvious that Mr. Donati is in the business of selling motorhomes but his advice to buy sooner than later in this circumstance is spot on. I see nothing in looking at the new chassis that would make me wait to buy unless I was in the market for a part time weekend/vacation rig.
In discussing this with another RV Dreams forum participant, I went looking and found this article at Car and Driver. In the story, they reference Ford trademarking the designators of different "T" levels, which would be similar to the "E" designators. They are looking at different numbers such as T-250, T-450 and T-550.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Ford ends up doing with the new Transit. It will be interesting to see what the weight ratings will be, considering the mention of 450 and 550.
Car and Driver Transit Article
Terry
While there are RV's with less attractive features here in the United States, even if one could import a foreign RV here it would have to be configured and built for the U.S. market. For instance, the electric in Europe is 50 cycle instead of 60 cycle.
That said, the reference that "all look like sleazy motels" is probably a bit of a stretch of a statement, unless one can document what brands/models were looked at and specify what made them look sleazy.
I have looked at a lot of RV's at dealerships and RV shows and I would have to disagree with that statement. That said, I have not looked at all Class C brands/models, so some may be bad. Also, everyone's opinion is generally subjective and not objective, so a blanket comparison is also somewhat misleading.
Terry
LOL PommyRV. Agree with your sleazy motel comment. However, there are some C classes available in the US that are fairly tasteful inside - but IMHO these tend to be the ones manufactured north of the border. Hope to see what examples you give Terry & Jo in response to his request, but then you might run the risk of offending people who own them - very sensitive bunch! OTY. I am pleased to help out with examples.
To change the question a little -- assuming we're willing to give up luxury amenities (such as the fireplace and extra 10' of length) and go with a MH (we'll know more after visiting the next 2 RV shows and "living" in them). But for argument sake - let's say we're happy to settle with a length of 29-32'. What are the pros and cons of a larger Class C versus a smaller class A?
No matter what RV you choose I'd concentrate on storage capacity and cargo carrying (weight) capacity. In general I think you'll find a bit more capacity in a small Class A simply because the chassis has a higher GVWR.
Also take a look at the rear overhang of some of the longer Class C RVs. The wheel base is still short but the overhang at the rear is huge. It becomes a problem making tight turns because of the wide swing of that huge overhang. Any heavy loading at the rear will have a leveraged effect on the steering too, effectively making the front lighter.
A plus of a shorter rig is maneuverability and a wider choice of campsites. We've found if you stay under 35 ft. there are a LOT more sites available. Under 30 ft. even more so.
If you haven't done so, check out the Serrano Class A models by Thor. Great storage capacity and diesel. Friends have one and just love it. Avg. 11 mpg.
The 31' NEXUS Class C being built for me has the chassis "extended" right at the NEXUS factory as Ford has authorized NEXUS as a qualified "CHASSIS EXTENDER" Quite a title EH!!!
I'm confident that we will have enough space for the "stuff" we bring. Being "minimalists" 1 coffee cup each etc etc :>) There is no doubt one can store more "STUFF" in a Class A - however that said is all the "STUFF" really needed? It almost seems folks get REALLY BIG RVs so they can have more stuff!??! I saw a photo the other day of a S/B home being moved across town - first thought that came to mind was WOW someone will do this soon and call it an "EXTENDED Class E RV." LOL :>)
Each of us pick our RV for many reasons - price for most of us is high on the list. I guess one can only hope that we can part with some of our "STUFF" and K.I.S.S or as we say "what you have is all you need - or what you have is all you are going to get.
Good cause and justification for pretty much any Class and any size.
Good discussion for the most part.
I think the subject was brought up about the rear overhang of a Class C, which would not be an issue with a Class A. In a tight turn, there is always that need to carefully watch the "swing" of that rear overhang.
Another difference to consider is the turning radius. Unless the Class C is built on a Ford F450 chassis, it might not have a tighter turning radius. When we traded for our F450 pickup, we traded in a pickup that was a full three feet shorter then the F450, but the F450 turns in the same radius of the shorter truck.
When researching our RV needs, we looked at two different Tiffin Phaeton Class A motorhomes and both of those had a phenomenal turning radius. That allowed it to turn in places that I as a former 18-wheeler operator would never have believe it could go.
As an example, check out this blog link and look at the photos at the bottom. You will notice a "gate" in the fence to the right of the parking lot. Our salesman drove up to that gate from the left side of the picture and was able to put both a 40' and a 42' Phaeton though that gate, even with the trailer in the way on the other side of the gate. Needless to say, I was impressed.
You can click on each picture to make them larger.
Terry's pictures of tight gate entry.
When looking at any particular RV, be sure and test drive them and see what kind of turning radius they have and how easy they would be to maneuver.
Terry