Now that we sold the house, paid off everything, etc and are completely debt free, we are ready to shop around for a satellite system for our fiver. We have been fulltimers since 2/10.
Would love comments regarding pros and cons of the various systems, providers and costs both intitial and monthly charges.
Anything you can tell us would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Bill Adams said
05:52 PM May 27, 2011
DirecTV is likely your best choice for satellite service in an RV. Dish Network users will soundly disagree with me. It's much like the Ford or Chevy (which is better) question. If you have one or the other you think it's the best. The realities are that they are both just about the same. The things that make DTV my choice are: 1) Satellites are located in the Central US so coverage throughout the US and much of Canada is excellent. 2) The satellites are located very close together so finding a whole in the trees that is 4 degrees wide vs. 20 degrees wide is much easier. 3) Distant Network services are provided directly by DirecTV so you only have one bill. This is currently in transition phase with Dish Network and you may now or soon be able to do this with Dish as well. 4) DirecTV puts there package out there for all to see. Dish Network lists about 5 different packages to show how cheap they can be but all the programs you want to watch are in the higher priced packages. Both have excellent and terrible tech. support depending upon who answers the phone. I have been a DTV customer since 2000 so I have nothing personally to compare it to. A couple of advantages for Dish Network: 1) One receiver that can provide different programming to 2 separate TV's (DirecTV requires 2 separate receivers). 2) You can view Earth from Space on the Earth Channel. 3) Part time service is available from Dish Network. However, this service must be turned on and off in 30 day blocks so if you use it more than 6 times per year you would do just as well to sign up with a contract and put the service on suspension while you are not using it.
I am sure I am missing some details for both but this should at least give you food for thought and some additional questions to ask.
janni said
06:55 PM May 27, 2011
Just got DirecTV last week. Still working with the dish on top of coach and have to get that figured out with the manufacturer. In the meantime, the guy that sold the package came out and set up the "ground" model. The package we have requires that you apply online for the rebate before complete install. We get a million(seems like) channels for 39 a month. That price is for one year and then go up if we keep all those channels(we wont) They required a two year contract. It came with a dish and receiver box at not charge. We bought a tripod from them for 69.00 and they threw in a bunch of fittings and cable. An expert I am NOT but we do like having television. I have the internet(Millenicom pkg and it is great) needs and Mike likes tv.
NorCal Dan said
09:57 AM May 28, 2011
We have DirecTV so I am not familiar with Dish, there may be some differences depending on if you want High Def (HD) programming. It's been a while but last I knew none of the dome setups could receive HD programming. And the new SWM sat dish (portable) that DirecTV is now using is one heck of a beast to setup. We have the Slimline Traveler mounted on the roof and love it, push a button and it aligns itself. But when parked in the trees I do carry a portable 18" oval (non-HD) sat dish.
Racerguy said
10:08 AM May 28, 2011
Like mentioned it's kinda a Ford-Dodge thing.I prefer Dish Network because I only need 1 reciever for 2 tv's plus the simple fact we have been Dish customers for years and are familiar with them.I think for reasons mentioned Direct is easier to set up if you use a tri-pod.
Bill and Linda said
12:56 PM May 28, 2011
Direct TV is the best choice for RV based on my 15 years of professional experience with both providers. Its just more RV friendly and versatle for a bunch of reasons I won't go into.
I highly recommend you get the Winguard SK3005 Automatic HD / SD Ku/KA antenna.One button up, one button down – not inexpensive – however - it actually works.
Bill Adams sells and installs them.He posted above.Or Camping World, etc. Your choice. You will most likely need a “professional install” on your rig if you want the reciver in a slide. The SK3005 will feed two Direct TV recievers and a two channel record DVR all at the same time.
That will give you HD and standard def as a backup.
Enjoy
Bill
sdman said
07:39 PM Jun 22, 2012
Just ordered a Sanibel 3500 and want to put the Winguard SK3005 Automatic HD / SD Ku/KA antenna on the unit. I'm having difficulty with the RV dealer who says quote "There is no support framing, data cables, power supply, or video cables in the roof of the Sanibel. Ordinarily, all of these are in a motorhome. The only prep for satellite on the Sanibel is one cable from the hook up area to the main TV."
I'm not happy with this answer. It seems they are hedging on adding the system and want an open ended work order to do it. The unit has 3 TVs, one in the living area in a slide, one in the BD and one outside. I asked to have the Wingard added to the roof with an A/B switch at the underside where the factory wired connection is that runs to the main tv in the living area. Is this standard practice with dealers?
I'm not sure they know what they are doing.
Any comments and or help would be much appreciated.
.
Bill and Linda said
03:09 PM Jun 23, 2012
sdman wrote:
Just ordered a Sanibel 3500 and want to put the Winguard SK3005 Automatic HD / SD Ku/KA antenna on the unit. I'm having difficulty with the RV dealer who says quote "There is no support framing, data cables, power supply, or video cables in the roof of the Sanibel. Ordinarily, all of these are in a motorhome. The only prep for satellite on the Sanibel is one cable from the hook up area to the main TV."
I'm not happy with this answer. It seems they are hedging on adding the system and want an open ended work order to do it. The unit has 3 TVs, one in the living area in a slide, one in the BD and one outside. I asked to have the Wingard added to the roof with an A/B switch at the underside where the factory wired connection is that runs to the main tv in the living area. Is this standard practice with dealers?
I'm not sure they know what they are doing.
Any comments and or help would be much appreciated.
.
Your probably correct.
These antennas (SK-3005’s) are installed on all kinds of 5th wheels.IMO, the dealer hasn’t ever done this, has made the profit on the sale of the 5th wheel, and doesn’t want to be bothered (unless well compensated to learn on your dime) to install the system.
It is true that most RV’s, including motor homes and 5th wheels, are lacking the necessary cabling to install quality satellite systems unless ordered from the factory that way.
Perhaps you should attempt to get the factory to do this work. While there are “methods,” It is difficult to route cables around after construction – motor home or 5th wheel. That’s a fact.
I don’t want to go overboard here, but if the dealer says the roof won’t hold this antenna then I would be concerned about the roof, assuming what he says is true.But as always, that’s just one man’s opinion which is what you requested.
Based on my experience (I did this with my 5’er) I’d go to the factory and deal directly with them - maybe as part of the sale.KZ installed my antenna 2 years after the trailer was purchased. They had never done one (a SK-3005) before as then antenna was fairly new, but said, “Sure, we need to do one anyway because they are becoming popular.”That was several years ago.Perhaps you should talk with the factory direct and put the order on hold till you’re satisfied your requirements are met.
My 2 cents as requested
Bill
sdman said
08:58 PM Jun 23, 2012
Bill: I took your advice and contacted the factory and they are going to work with us on this on Monday. Good advice Bill.
Bill and Linda said
11:23 PM Jun 23, 2012
sdman wrote:
Bill: I took your advice and contacted the factory and they are going to work with us on this on Monday. Good advice Bill.
Good for you.
If you’re dealing with the factory, recall you will need two cables from the antenna to each DVR.(The antenna provides 4 outputs.)If the receiver is not a DVR then just one cable from the antenna to the receiver is required.
If you are going to have a small 18” tripod dish as a backup when the roof antenna doesn’t have a clear shot, remember the same rule applies.Each turner in a DVR requires an antenna feed.NOW, most 18” dish LNB’s (the thing the cables connect to at the antenna,) only provide two outputs max.So you have to think about how you wish to use those two outputs.You can tell the DVR’s that there is just one tuner when you use the 18” dish and therefore it will work with just one feed and you can use the other to feed the bedroom DVR - for example. Your choice.But naturally you can only “tune” / receive one program at a time with only one antenna feed.
It isn’t that complicated, you just need to think about how you want things connected because it is easy at the factory, it’s harder later.
If you need more information, just ask.Now is the time to get this the way you want it.It’s your rig.
Bill
DeeJee said
09:49 AM Jan 29, 2015
We're now traveling more and are satellite antenna shopping. These post are a little old compared to the rapid change of electronics. Would like to hear what you chose and how it's working for you.
BigD629 said
07:24 PM Jan 29, 2015
After a lot of research, I went with the Winegard Pathway X2 And Dish. The #1 reason was HD. You cannot get HD with a portable system with Direct TV. Unless you want to spend $$ to get the roof mounted Traveler. Then you may be limited if camping in heavy tree cover. The Pathway X2 has worked flawlessly and very easy to set up. It also has the ability to use the Eastern & Western Arcs.
The Junkman said
08:10 PM Jan 29, 2015
Have the roof top Wineguard swm and a mobile one. In 6 mo, Have not needed the mobile. even in the trees. But have it just in case, and a birdog digital aligner..
I have the $135 premier HD package and the free NFL package, with the genie and 2 minis with Directv.
Have had no issues with anything. Love the dvr features.. Hardly watch live tv anymore.
I ordered mine with the RV. Last year when I compared dish vs directv.. Directv tv came out on top..Can't remember why..
Terry and Jo said
10:38 PM Jan 29, 2015
We've had Direct TV for years, both when we lived in houses and now in the RV. We have always had good service from them. By contrast, I know of two circumstances where issues arose when someone went to cancel their Dish network service. In one case, even though canceled, Dish continued to send monthly bills for at least six months. In the other case, the personnel who were to cancel the service for the subscriber were very rude.
Terry
Diana and Jim said
07:45 AM Jan 30, 2015
We just got DirecTV and love it. As Junkman says, the DVR is great. For now, we will stick with a tripod, as we won't be moving a lot. We will need to get a birdog aligner. Once we start moving more, we will probably get a Trav'ler...but I want to see how tough it is to find the satellites first.
Jim
Bill and Linda said
04:50 PM Jan 30, 2015
BigD629 wrote:
After a lot of research, I went with the Winegard Pathway X2 And Dish. The #1 reason was HD. You cannot get HD with a portable system with Direct TV. Unless you want to spend $$ to get the roof mounted Traveler. Then you may be limited if camping in heavy tree cover.
Sorry, this is not correct.Just a comment for those reading along.
Bill and Linda said
04:53 PM Jan 30, 2015
The Junkman wrote:
Have the roof top Wineguard swm and a mobile one. In 6 mo, Have not needed the mobile. even in the trees. But have it just in case, and a birdog digital aligner..
Directv tv came out on top..Can't remember why..
Steve, which model birddog did you select, please?I’m considering one.I can align a portable DirecTV SWM without one but might spring for a birddog anyway in spite of not needing the portable antenna in like 2 years of traveling.
The Junkman said
09:24 PM Jan 30, 2015
Bill and Linda wrote:
The Junkman wrote:
Have the roof top Wineguard swm and a mobile one. In 6 mo, Have not needed the mobile. even in the trees. But have it just in case, and a birdog digital aligner..
Directv tv came out on top..Can't remember why..
Steve, which model birddog did you select, please?I’m considering one.I can align a portable DirecTV SWM without one but might spring for a birddog anyway in spite of not needing the portable antenna in like 2 years of traveling.
I bought the "Birdog version 4 USB Plus Satellite Signal Meter" Refurbished off ebay..
I have not not used .. and maybe never will. But wanted to have it, incase I need to set up a tripod. I guess it makes things much easier for a mobile unit..
BigD629 said
10:51 AM Jan 31, 2015
Bill and Linda wrote:
BigD629 wrote:
After a lot of research, I went with the Winegard Pathway X2 And Dish. The #1 reason was HD. You cannot get HD with a portable system with Direct TV. Unless you want to spend $$ to get the roof mounted Traveler. Then you may be limited if camping in heavy tree cover.
Sorry, this is not correct.Just a comment for those reading along.
Let me clarify my comment. You cannot get direct TV HD with a fully automatic portable dome type dish. Yes, you can get it with a manual type. I have never had satellite before and did not want the hassle of manually pointing a dish. I'm assuming that you are suggesting a manual tripod type dish is considered a portable system as you did not elaborate on what you considered incorrect in my comment?
Bill and Linda said
11:24 AM Jan 31, 2015
BigD629 wrote:
Bill and Linda wrote:
BigD629 wrote:
After a lot of research, I went with the Winegard Pathway X2 And Dish. The #1 reason was HD. You cannot get HD with a portable system with Direct TV. Unless you want to spend $$ to get the roof mounted Traveler. Then you may be limited if camping in heavy tree cover.
Sorry, this is not correct.Just a comment for those reading along.
Let me clarify my comment. You cannot get direct TV HD with a fully automatic portable dome type dish. Yes, you can get it with a manual type. I have never had satellite before and did not want the hassle of manually pointing a dish. I'm assuming that you are suggesting a manual tripod type dish is considered a portable system as you did not elaborate on what you considered incorrect in my comment?
A dish on a tri-pod is a portable dish.It is not automatic, but can get the HD satellites.Additionally, with DirecTV, under adverse conditions, I can get all programming, albeit in SD, with just one satellite on the HD dish from the roof or on a tripod.Even the little 18” dish works if the roof mounted HD/ SD dish doesn’t work due to trees.
Dish requires two satellites to get all programing and they are not close together in the arc. DirecTV doesn’t require two satellites to do the same. When traveling a lot, with unknown obstructions, DirecTV can offer more flexibility due to only having to find “one hole” through the trees or obstruction so to speak.That’s been our experience over the last 8 years - simply more flexibility.
Neither service is good or bad.A choice based on need.Just want to get all the info correct for those making choices.
BigD629 said
05:30 PM Jan 31, 2015
Bill and Linda wrote:
BigD629 wrote:
Bill and Linda wrote:
BigD629 wrote:
After a lot of research, I went with the Winegard Pathway X2 And Dish. The #1 reason was HD. You cannot get HD with a portable system with Direct TV. Unless you want to spend $$ to get the roof mounted Traveler. Then you may be limited if camping in heavy tree cover.
Sorry, this is not correct.Just a comment for those reading along.
Let me clarify my comment. You cannot get direct TV HD with a fully automatic portable dome type dish. Yes, you can get it with a manual type. I have never had satellite before and did not want the hassle of manually pointing a dish. I'm assuming that you are suggesting a manual tripod type dish is considered a portable system as you did not elaborate on what you considered incorrect in my comment?
A dish on a tri-pod is a portable dish.It is not automatic, but can get the HD satellites.Additionally, with DirecTV, under adverse conditions, I can get all programming, albeit in SD, with just one satellite on the HD dish from the roof or on a tripod.Even the little 18” dish works if the roof mounted HD/ SD dish doesn’t work due to trees.
Dish requires two satellites to get all programing and they are not close together in the arc. DirecTV doesn’t require two satellites to do the same. When traveling a lot, with unknown obstructions, DirecTV can offer more flexibility due to only having to find “one hole” through the trees or obstruction so to speak.That’s been our experience over the last 8 years - simply more flexibility.
Neither service is good or bad.A choice based on need.Just want to get all the info correct for those making choices.
Thank you, for explaining your comment. When I was researching systems I wanted a small portable dome type, that was fully automatic. That eliminated Direct TV right off the bat. Although the Pathway X2 is a little larger than most. It is capable of running 2 separate TVs, and can access the east & western arc for more flexibility. From all the options out there it fit my needs and was less than $500.00. Not knocking Direct TV, they just didn't have what I was looking for at the time.
Now that we sold the house, paid off everything, etc and are completely debt free, we are ready to shop around for a satellite system for our fiver. We have been fulltimers since 2/10.
Would love comments regarding pros and cons of the various systems, providers and costs both intitial and monthly charges.
Anything you can tell us would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
1) Satellites are located in the Central US so coverage throughout the US and much of Canada is excellent.
2) The satellites are located very close together so finding a whole in the trees that is 4 degrees wide vs. 20 degrees wide is much easier.
3) Distant Network services are provided directly by DirecTV so you only have one bill. This is currently in transition phase with Dish Network and you may now or soon be able to do this with Dish as well.
4) DirecTV puts there package out there for all to see. Dish Network lists about 5 different packages to show how cheap they can be but all the programs you want to watch are in the higher priced packages.
Both have excellent and terrible tech. support depending upon who answers the phone.
I have been a DTV customer since 2000 so I have nothing personally to compare it to. A couple of advantages for Dish Network:
1) One receiver that can provide different programming to 2 separate TV's (DirecTV requires 2 separate receivers).
2) You can view Earth from Space on the Earth Channel.
3) Part time service is available from Dish Network. However, this service must be turned on and off in 30 day blocks so if you use it more than 6 times per year you would do just as well to sign up with a contract and put the service on suspension while you are not using it.
I am sure I am missing some details for both but this should at least give you food for thought and some additional questions to ask.
Like mentioned it's kinda a Ford-Dodge thing.I prefer Dish Network because I only need 1 reciever for 2 tv's plus the simple fact we have been Dish customers for years and are familiar with them.I think for reasons mentioned Direct is easier to set up if you use a tri-pod.
Direct TV is the best choice for RV based on my 15 years of professional experience with both providers. Its just more RV friendly and versatle for a bunch of reasons I won't go into.
I highly recommend you get the Winguard SK3005 Automatic HD / SD Ku/KA antenna. One button up, one button down – not inexpensive – however - it actually works.
Bill Adams sells and installs them. He posted above. Or Camping World, etc. Your choice. You will most likely need a “professional install” on your rig if you want the reciver in a slide. The SK3005 will feed two Direct TV recievers and a two channel record DVR all at the same time.
That will give you HD and standard def as a backup.
Enjoy
Bill
Just ordered a Sanibel 3500 and want to put the Winguard SK3005 Automatic HD / SD Ku/KA antenna on the unit. I'm having difficulty with the RV dealer who says quote "There is no support framing, data cables, power supply, or video cables in the roof of the Sanibel. Ordinarily, all of these are in a motorhome. The only prep for satellite on the Sanibel is one cable from the hook up area to the main TV."
I'm not happy with this answer. It seems they are hedging on adding the system and want an open ended work order to do it. The unit has 3 TVs, one in the living area in a slide, one in the BD and one outside. I asked to have the Wingard added to the roof with an A/B switch at the underside where the factory wired connection is that runs to the main tv in the living area. Is this standard practice with dealers?
I'm not sure they know what they are doing.
Any comments and or help would be much appreciated.
.
Your probably correct.
These antennas (SK-3005’s) are installed on all kinds of 5th wheels. IMO, the dealer hasn’t ever done this, has made the profit on the sale of the 5th wheel, and doesn’t want to be bothered (unless well compensated to learn on your dime) to install the system.
It is true that most RV’s, including motor homes and 5th wheels, are lacking the necessary cabling to install quality satellite systems unless ordered from the factory that way.
Perhaps you should attempt to get the factory to do this work. While there are “methods,” It is difficult to route cables around after construction – motor home or 5th wheel. That’s a fact.
I don’t want to go overboard here, but if the dealer says the roof won’t hold this antenna then I would be concerned about the roof, assuming what he says is true. But as always, that’s just one man’s opinion which is what you requested.
Based on my experience (I did this with my 5’er) I’d go to the factory and deal directly with them - maybe as part of the sale. KZ installed my antenna 2 years after the trailer was purchased. They had never done one (a SK-3005) before as then antenna was fairly new, but said, “Sure, we need to do one anyway because they are becoming popular.” That was several years ago. Perhaps you should talk with the factory direct and put the order on hold till you’re satisfied your requirements are met.
My 2 cents as requested
Bill
Good for you.
If you’re dealing with the factory, recall you will need two cables from the antenna to each DVR. (The antenna provides 4 outputs.) If the receiver is not a DVR then just one cable from the antenna to the receiver is required.
If you are going to have a small 18” tripod dish as a backup when the roof antenna doesn’t have a clear shot, remember the same rule applies. Each turner in a DVR requires an antenna feed. NOW, most 18” dish LNB’s (the thing the cables connect to at the antenna,) only provide two outputs max. So you have to think about how you wish to use those two outputs. You can tell the DVR’s that there is just one tuner when you use the 18” dish and therefore it will work with just one feed and you can use the other to feed the bedroom DVR - for example. Your choice. But naturally you can only “tune” / receive one program at a time with only one antenna feed.
It isn’t that complicated, you just need to think about how you want things connected because it is easy at the factory, it’s harder later.
If you need more information, just ask. Now is the time to get this the way you want it. It’s your rig.
Bill
I have the $135 premier HD package and the free NFL package, with the genie and 2 minis with Directv.
Have had no issues with anything. Love the dvr features.. Hardly watch live tv anymore.
I ordered mine with the RV. Last year when I compared dish vs directv.. Directv tv came out on top..Can't remember why..
We've had Direct TV for years, both when we lived in houses and now in the RV. We have always had good service from them. By contrast, I know of two circumstances where issues arose when someone went to cancel their Dish network service. In one case, even though canceled, Dish continued to send monthly bills for at least six months. In the other case, the personnel who were to cancel the service for the subscriber were very rude.
Terry
Jim
Sorry, this is not correct. Just a comment for those reading along.
Steve, which model birddog did you select, please? I’m considering one. I can align a portable DirecTV SWM without one but might spring for a birddog anyway in spite of not needing the portable antenna in like 2 years of traveling.
I bought the "Birdog version 4 USB Plus Satellite Signal Meter" Refurbished off ebay..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Birdog-version-4-USB-Plus-Satellite-Signal-Meter-Finder-Bird-dog-OEM-Case-4-/350877001585?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51b1e62771
I have not not used .. and maybe never will. But wanted to have it, incase I need to set up a tripod. I guess it makes things much easier for a mobile unit..
Let me clarify my comment. You cannot get direct TV HD with a fully automatic portable dome type dish. Yes, you can get it with a manual type. I have never had satellite before and did not want the hassle of manually pointing a dish. I'm assuming that you are suggesting a manual tripod type dish is considered a portable system as you did not elaborate on what you considered incorrect in my comment?
A dish on a tri-pod is a portable dish. It is not automatic, but can get the HD satellites. Additionally, with DirecTV, under adverse conditions, I can get all programming, albeit in SD, with just one satellite on the HD dish from the roof or on a tripod. Even the little 18” dish works if the roof mounted HD/ SD dish doesn’t work due to trees.
Dish requires two satellites to get all programing and they are not close together in the arc. DirecTV doesn’t require two satellites to do the same. When traveling a lot, with unknown obstructions, DirecTV can offer more flexibility due to only having to find “one hole” through the trees or obstruction so to speak. That’s been our experience over the last 8 years - simply more flexibility.
Neither service is good or bad. A choice based on need. Just want to get all the info correct for those making choices.
Thank you, for explaining your comment. When I was researching systems I wanted a small portable dome type, that was fully automatic. That eliminated Direct TV right off the bat. Although the Pathway X2 is a little larger than most. It is capable of running 2 separate TVs, and can access the east & western arc for more flexibility. From all the options out there it fit my needs and was less than $500.00. Not knocking Direct TV, they just didn't have what I was looking for at the time.