Well said on your blog. I sent you a PM on the subject.
RickandJanice said
07:58 AM Feb 19, 2011
Melanie, very well said. All I can add is... AMEN!
Racerguy said
10:13 AM Feb 19, 2011
Tim & Robyn wrote:
Well said indeed! I fear for our country.
Tim,
I too fear where we are headed.To many politicians not enough statesman.
53 Merc said
11:35 AM Feb 19, 2011
Tim, if you get banned, send word on where you go. I will join you. (I bet Racerguy will come too.)
Well said.
Racerguy said
12:20 PM Feb 19, 2011
I don't think Tim will be banned.Howard runs a tight but fair ship and will send a gentle admonition if appropriate.As long as it doesn't go much further I think it'll be o.k.jm2cw
Waggin Tails said
07:46 PM Feb 19, 2011
If we lived in one of the middle eastern countries, the "state" would be after us in a snap for expressing our thoughts. I am thankful that we live in a country that is founded on freedom. Racerguy zoomed into the core of the issue, too many politicians and too few statesmen. Melstar's message is well stated.
Gypsy Turtle 2 said
09:25 AM Feb 20, 2011
Sorry guys, but I come to this forum to read about RVing.
This has been my haven away from politics and religion.
Please don't go there.
2riker2go said
09:54 AM Feb 20, 2011
Gypsy Turtle 2 wrote:
Sorry guys, but I come to this forum to read about RVing.
This has been my haven away from politics and religion.
Please don't go there.
I second Gypsy Turtle 2.
janieD said
12:23 PM Feb 20, 2011
I am onboard with the last 2 posters. It is so easy to get into nasty discussions on religion and politics and we all come from different places and backgrounds. Our experiences are different and views on life are different. I respect that this is your opinion but this is not the place to debate it. One of the things I appreciate about this forum is the civility with which it comes. Hope you will respect that.
Tim & Robyn said
12:53 PM Feb 20, 2011
I have deleted my post. The criticisms were well taken and valid.... this isn't the place for posts like that, and there are plenty of other alternatives available on the web.
My apologies to everyone on this forum. Thanks for setting me straight and refocusing me on what this forum is all about. Sometimes I let my frustrations get the better of me, much to my regret.
azrving said
04:14 PM Feb 20, 2011
Tim & Robyn wrote:
I have deleted my post. The criticisms were well taken and valid.... this isn't the place for posts like that, and there are plenty of other alternatives available on the web.
My apologies to everyone on this forum. Thanks for setting me straight and refocusing me on what this forum is all about. Sometimes I let my frustrations get the better of me, much to my regret.
Tim,
Glad I was able to read your reply before it was deleted. I do agree with what you posted and I also agree that this isn't the place for political/religion debates.
Maybe Howard would consider a "Hotbox Thread" so those (RV Dreams Members) that would like to post on topics other than rv related ones, would have an area to do so. It could be called the "Enter at Your Own Risk Forum" ...lol. JMO
Happy Camping:)
Terry and Jo said
06:14 PM Feb 20, 2011
Well, I guess I found the thread that was referred to in a PM to me.
While I didn't get to read Tim's comments, from the comments that followed, I can just imagine what might have been said.
That said, even we as RV'ers should be concerned with the politics of our country. After all, it is the freedoms that this country affords us that allows us to follow our dreams. And, it is the politicians of this country that can tax us or regulate us out of those dreams.
I don't see a problem with comments about politics or religion, so long as no one is mentioned personally. While some may not like even the hint of religion or politics within discussions, at least politics has the capability of affecting our daily lives by impacting our freedoms or our funds with which to follow our freedoms of choice. If fuel prices get high enough, how many of us will even be able to contemplate the RV life?
Now, having said THAT, I don't agree with any semblance of someone verbally attacking someone in forums because they don't agree with them. That should never be done, and while I didn't get to read Tim's post, I have to doubt that he said anything critical of another forum participant. I've never met Tim, but I've read enough of his posts to know something of his character.
There are forums where a poster may get critical of another forum participant, and I choose to avoid those forums, unless I am looking for an answer to a question that could be answered there. If I don't like what is being said, I just don't participate. That, too, is one of the freedoms of choice. Participate or not, but let's not criticize anyone for expressing an opinion.
Terry
Luvglass said
08:00 PM Feb 20, 2011
One of the key reasons that this blog has survived and indeed flourished for almost 5 years now. is that we have ALWAYS avoided any discussion of religion. or politics.
Yes, both these topics are very important to many forum members lives, but this is not the place to express them. This forum is about full time RVing and getting into the life. Neither your religious beliefs, or your political outlook has any bearing on the subject.
There are more than enough forums available to express your views on these subjects, but this isn't one of them.
Racerguy said
09:28 AM Feb 21, 2011
I agree with Fred. If you want to see how these threads can get out of control go to the Escapees forum sometime and you will understand why we try to avoid this as much as possible.Melanie did the right thing and refered it away from the forum.So far this one has been civil but COULD turn on a dime.
bubbadan said
06:42 AM Feb 22, 2011
Great post I really enjoyed reading and agree with it whole hearted. We in the public work force my wife and I have not had a pay increase in two years while our pay check have gone down due to insurance cost increase. we have gone from paying a small amount to paying 50% of our health insurance. Yet we are glad to have jobs and keep making adjustment in our life styles. Thanks again for your post, you said was what we all are thinking.
on my blog: www.melspotluck.blogspot.com
Tim,
I too fear where we are headed.To many politicians not enough statesman.
I second Gypsy Turtle 2.
My apologies to everyone on this forum. Thanks for setting me straight and refocusing me on what this forum is all about. Sometimes I let my frustrations get the better of me, much to my regret.
Glad I was able to read your reply before it was deleted. I do agree with what you posted and I also agree that this isn't the place for political/religion debates.
Maybe Howard would consider a "Hotbox Thread" so those (RV Dreams Members) that would like to post on topics other than rv related ones, would have an area to do so. It could be called the "Enter at Your Own Risk Forum" ...lol. JMO
Happy Camping:)
While I didn't get to read Tim's comments, from the comments that followed, I can just imagine what might have been said.
That said, even we as RV'ers should be concerned with the politics of our country. After all, it is the freedoms that this country affords us that allows us to follow our dreams. And, it is the politicians of this country that can tax us or regulate us out of those dreams.
I don't see a problem with comments about politics or religion, so long as no one is mentioned personally. While some may not like even the hint of religion or politics within discussions, at least politics has the capability of affecting our daily lives by impacting our freedoms or our funds with which to follow our freedoms of choice. If fuel prices get high enough, how many of us will even be able to contemplate the RV life?
Now, having said THAT, I don't agree with any semblance of someone verbally attacking someone in forums because they don't agree with them. That should never be done, and while I didn't get to read Tim's post, I have to doubt that he said anything critical of another forum participant. I've never met Tim, but I've read enough of his posts to know something of his character.
There are forums where a poster may get critical of another forum participant, and I choose to avoid those forums, unless I am looking for an answer to a question that could be answered there. If I don't like what is being said, I just don't participate. That, too, is one of the freedoms of choice. Participate or not, but let's not criticize anyone for expressing an opinion.
Terry
Thanks again for your post, you said was what we all are thinking.