I dunno... I'd just as soon pay less and be left alone on my own more.... but then I've always been that way, no matter how/where I lived. I don't need or want all the hustle and bustle... that's what I want to get away from. However, I don't want to go all the way back to when you had to chop your own logs, build your own house and hunt for/grow your own food. But that's what a lot of people were willing to do to be free, and rid of government control. I just finished reading a biography of Aaron Burr, and apparently it has ever been thus... there is nothing going on now that is new with regard to fights over how much power the federal government should have... Back then it was the Federalists (who have become today's Republicans more or less) and the Republicans ( who have become today's Democrats) - strangely enough.
The title is 'Aaron Burr - Fallen Founder' and it was very interesting reading. He definitely has gotten a bum rap from historians, if you can believe this book. I didn't know (or remember) that Burr and Jefferson were tied in the electoral college vote in 1800, even though it was clear between Burr and Jefferson that Burr was running for Vice President, and that it took some 36 votes in the House of Representatives to resolve it... after many machinations (say it ain't so!). See what I mean about nothing new?
thebearII said
03:05 PM Jun 18, 2009
We happen to have one of these amenities rich RV resorts close by.
Here's the website: http://www.newportdunes.com/
You'll notice in the middle of their home page they list catering and a bistro among other resources.....food will be brought to your RV.
Be sure to check out the rates, please be sure to be seated when you do.
If you choose to stay in one of their "Supersites" for 3 days during the summer and you had one pet, the cost would be over $600 with tax, $200 per day.
I understand you can arrange to have maid service as well....for a price of course.
It is a nice resort in a great area close to theme parks, great shopping, the ocean and lots more.
They have a waiting list for most weekends during the summer. So folks are willing to pay.
TrishsTravco said
06:25 PM Jun 18, 2009
Tim & Robyn wrote:
I just finished reading a biography of Aaron Burr, and apparently it has ever been thus... there is nothing going on now that is new with regard to fights over how much power the federal government should have...
The title is 'Aaron Burr - Fallen Founder' and it was very interesting reading. He definitely has gotten a bum rap from historians, if you can believe this book. I didn't know (or remember) that Burr and Jefferson were tied in the electoral college vote in 1800, even though it was clear between Burr and Jefferson that Burr was running for Vice President, and that it took some 36 votes in the House of Representatives to resolve it... after many machinations (say it ain't so!). See what I mean about nothing new?
Yes, another Burrite!
I have not read that, who is the author? Yes, you can "believe" the book.
AB was not only responsible for the 12 Amendment but also freed all his own slaves in New York while a State Rep --the powers that were didn't look kindly upon him for that. Either...
If you can find Nathan Shachner's Burr biography, long out of print but worth hunting for, it is a treat. Or an aggravation, depending...
Shachner also wrote full, complete biographies of Washington, Jefferson (he wasn't all that) and Hamilton (neither was he). Every one worth owning and re-reading.
Tim & Robyn said
05:19 AM Jun 19, 2009
Nancy Isenberg was the author of the Aaron Burr biography. I think he would have felt more at home in our times than in his own. He shocked everyone back then by actually campaigning for public office himself... at that time candidates kept their distance and let their proxies do their campaigning for them. John Jay I think it was actually left the country for the duration of the election cycle and won. I don't remember what office he was running for.
Neither Thomas Jefferson or Alexander Hamilton come off very well in this book. Schemers and backstabbers the both of them, towards Burr at least...
TrishsTravco said
08:15 AM Jun 19, 2009
Tim & Robyn wrote:
Nancy Isenberg was the author of the Aaron Burr biography.
Burr would have felt more at home in our times than in his own. He shocked everyone back then by actually campaigning for public office himself... at that time candidates kept their distance and let their proxies do their campaigning for them.
Neither Thomas Jefferson or Alexander Hamilton come off very well in this book.
Schemers and backstabbers the both of them, toward Burr at least...
"Dirty-hands-at-arms'-length" was the reason candidates did not campaign directly. If we think our modern media is slanted and dirty, we should re-read (almost all available) newspaper accounts of the elections of that time. Journalistic integrity was an even bigger misnomer 230 years ago.
Remember reading the Federalist Papers in high school --at least those portions not edited for the sensitive minds of 17 yr-olds.
I will be ordering this book. Aaron Burr has been vilified far too long, especially given his true contributions that are part & parcel of our lives today.
Did Isenberg relate Burr's Manhattan Water Co and its twofold purpose? 1) Eliminating yellow fever by forcing citizens to stop 'whatever' dumping into wells. 2) Voting rights, which worked like this: A man was not eligible to vote unless he owned property to at least a 1/20th share. Burr leased MWC property rights long-term allowing "working men" to vote.
Burr was in favor of the very unpopular notion of womens' rights. You know --the right to education beyond How to Grind Corn in Your Spare Time for Fun & Profit. He was adamant that women be legally allowed to inherit property (not all states had this provision) and that marital rape be prosecuted. Burr also came out in favor of divorce when necessary.
He had a daughter, small wonder. Most fathers would react the same.
Hamilton was the banker who founded the Bank of America, what did you expect ;0)
Jefferson (the ever-popular his-g/f-is-a-slave noise aside) was probably the first politician to encourage lobbying and, of course, lobbyist donations to political campaigns. TJ made Nixon's "executive privelege" claim over the Watergate tapes seem like child's play compared to the stuff he pulled over documents during Burr's treason trial.
Oi.
Howard, we have certainly gone off-topic here and I apologize for that. Can we have a new topic under an existing forum for this? Or perhaps "American History" as a hobby topic?
thanks, Trish
-- Edited by TrishsTravco on Friday 19th of June 2009 08:23:32 AM
retread said
08:20 AM Jun 19, 2009
hmm...after reading the article, I can only assume their market is very different than our family. I don't know any families that are looking for more expensive campgrounds. We like the amenities when they happen to be there, but would rather spend less! If there's a demand, however, then I suppose these resorts will happily work to provide the supply!
Reminds me that I need to contact KOA and ask them about the charges per child at all the KOA's. We have a guest child with us, so if we choose a KOA it will cost $9 - 18 extra per night depending on the Kampground. We don't feel it's warranted and wonder why it's standard operating procedure. We especially object when some of the 'kid friendly' amenities are not operational or accessible to the kids (pool closed or limited hours, prohibited from spa). We understand some campgrounds charging for pets due to damage to landscape that is inevitable.
Thanks Fred - appreciate the article and the reminder for that call!
Judy said
09:30 AM Jun 19, 2009
Just another suggestion is that you look into family Thousand Trails memberships. These memberships can be bought and sold and we bought a used membership that was a good buy. You have no fees at these campgrounds, go to theyre web site and read up. Also go to RV.net and you will find articles on TT there. southwestjudy
http://travel.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/travel/21praccamp.html?emc=eta1
Fred
The title is 'Aaron Burr - Fallen Founder' and it was very interesting reading. He definitely has gotten a bum rap from historians, if you can believe this book. I didn't know (or remember) that Burr and Jefferson were tied in the electoral college vote in 1800, even though it was clear between Burr and Jefferson that Burr was running for Vice President, and that it took some 36 votes in the House of Representatives to resolve it... after many machinations (say it ain't so!). See what I mean about nothing new?
Yes, another Burrite!
I have not read that, who is the author? Yes, you can "believe" the book.
AB was not only responsible for the 12 Amendment but also freed all his own slaves in New York while a State Rep --the powers that were didn't look kindly upon him for that. Either...
If you can find Nathan Shachner's Burr biography, long out of print but worth hunting for, it is a treat. Or an aggravation, depending...
Shachner also wrote full, complete biographies of Washington, Jefferson (he wasn't all that) and Hamilton (neither was he). Every one worth owning and re-reading.
Neither Thomas Jefferson or Alexander Hamilton come off very well in this book. Schemers and backstabbers the both of them, towards Burr at least...
"Dirty-hands-at-arms'-length" was the reason candidates did not campaign directly.
If we think our modern media is slanted and dirty, we should re-read (almost all available) newspaper accounts of the elections of that time. Journalistic integrity was an even bigger misnomer 230 years ago.
Remember reading the Federalist Papers in high school --at least those portions not edited for the sensitive minds of 17 yr-olds.
I will be ordering this book. Aaron Burr has been vilified far too long, especially given his true contributions that are part & parcel of our lives today.
Did Isenberg relate Burr's Manhattan Water Co and its twofold purpose?
1) Eliminating yellow fever by forcing citizens to stop 'whatever' dumping into wells.
2) Voting rights, which worked like this: A man was not eligible to vote unless he owned property to at least a 1/20th share. Burr leased MWC property rights long-term allowing "working men" to vote.
Burr was in favor of the very unpopular notion of womens' rights. You know --the right to education beyond How to Grind Corn in Your Spare Time for Fun & Profit.
He was adamant that women be legally allowed to inherit property (not all states had this provision) and that marital rape be prosecuted. Burr also came out in favor of divorce when necessary.
He had a daughter, small wonder. Most fathers would react the same.
Hamilton was the banker who founded the Bank of America, what did you expect ;0)
Jefferson (the ever-popular his-g/f-is-a-slave noise aside) was probably the first politician to encourage lobbying and, of course, lobbyist donations to political campaigns.
TJ made Nixon's "executive privelege" claim over the Watergate tapes seem like child's play compared to the stuff he pulled over documents during Burr's treason trial.
Oi.
Howard, we have certainly gone off-topic here and I apologize for that.
Can we have a new topic under an existing forum for this?
Or perhaps "American History" as a hobby topic?
thanks,
Trish
-- Edited by TrishsTravco on Friday 19th of June 2009 08:23:32 AM
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