I have also watched the debate, and actually, I have read recently that Australia outlawed handguns, and the crime rate went up considerably. I will see if I can find a link. Perhaps you can find a link to support your facts too. Not trying to start a debate, but I tend to agree with dreamreachers.
Edit: Haven't found the Australian info, but here's an article on Great Britain:
I agree. Outlawing guns does not help the crime rate. When guns are outlawed, only the outlaws have guns. What my argument was is the fact that when people try to protect themselves with a gun, people die. These people are usually the victims of the crime in the first place. In Canada we have as much crime as in the US. But the number of gun deaths is about 1/10 per capita since people do not bring out the guns to defend themselves.
Gun Deaths - International Comparisons
Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):
Homicide
Suicide
Other (inc Accident)
USA (2001)
3.98
5.92
0.36
Italy (1997)
0.81
1.1
0.07
Switzerland (1998)
0.50
5.8
0.10
Canada (2002)
0.4
2.0
0.04
Finland (2003)
0.35
4.45
0.10
Australia (2001)
0.24
1.34
0.10
France (2001)
0.21
3.4
0.49
England/Wales (2002)
0.15
0.2
0.03
Scotland (2002)
0.06
0.2
0.02
Japan (2002)
0.02
0.04
0
Data taken from Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport.
This chart says it all. This is from a US website. The USA is the only country on this list that allows citizens to carry guns.
There is just no arguing these figures. When you do some research, it is almost always the victims of the crime that are killed when they bring out the guns to defend themselves. The stories are on the internet. It's just like when you were a kid at school. When you tried to fight back you got the #%!t beat out of you. Where as if you did not resist, they may have taken your lunch money once in a while, but after a while they got bored and left you alone.
jagco said
02:33 PM Oct 21, 2009
I think the victims that end up being killed just haven't had enough training and practice. I don't even think someone should have a gun without having some training, and ongoing training. I will continue to have my guns, and those that wish not to, have every right not to. It's a debate that will go on in history until only the criminals have guns, or we all will die when the world comes to an end.
This probably wasn't a very good thread to start. Most forums don't even allow discussions about the three G's (God, Guns, and Gov'mint), and I usually try to stay out of thos 3 myself (on forums anywy).
I will agree to disagree :)
Let's go RVing.
Janeen said
06:43 PM Oct 21, 2009
I think it's a great topic, and a very important one. As a woman, as a single mother and a wife I have been of two minds on this issue throughout my life. When my kids were young I didn't want a gun in the house, in the beginning we were in base housing and I can't think of a safer place.
Later, on my own I had a weapon in a bedside lockup with a push button combo lock. I have owned and shot weapons of many calibers all my life so I was very comfortable however, I did put a lock on my bedroom door to protect my kids from their own 'curiosity'.
The night an intruder broke in the back door was possibly the scariest of my life. We had no cell phones then but I took the receiver off the hook and dialed 911. A land line sent the address straight to the dispatcher. I wispered I had a burgler and that I was armed. I chambered a round in my 9mm and I heard him run back down the hall. The police caught him a few blocks away. He was armed but only with a knife. Guess my gun trumped his knife.
I am thankful I didn't have to use the gun that night but if he had not left my home I would have allowed him into the doorway. (That would have kept the line of sight away from my kids room) And that would have been that.
A side note on the aftermath. I was calm and cool while the man was in the house, I did everything right. Kept my head and kept my cool. I broke down after the cops got there for about an hour! Go figure. Also, a few weeks later the mother of the boy came by my work (yeah, they keep everything confidential at the PD, un huh) She thanked me for not killing her son. That hit home real hard, he was somebodys son, brother, nephew. If you decide to carry be prepared for the fallout. If you can't handle it, take Speedy's and other advise and get a dog, mace, bear spray etc. it's life and death. Some folks think it's sexy, cool, hip, it's not, it's serious business. Like I said, life and death.
I practice at least once a month, I do have a CCW license and I do carry 95% of the time. I also practice with my left hand in case it's ever needed. I can shoot a pattern you can cover with the palm of your hand at 50 feet. As far as target practice I'm proud of that, I outshoot most of the men at the range (I'm proud of that too) I have my own reasons for carrying a weapon, everyone is different and it's a HUGE responsibility.
I have had the unfortunate experience of an assult for which I DIDN'T draw my weapon as my life was not in danger. That's the difference and you need the training to tell the difference. Is your life in danger? If not, give up your purse/wallet/car. It's not worth a life. Let them go and let the cops do their job. If your or your family's life is in mortal danger then use your training (and you really need training if you're going to carry a weapon) and save your lives. JMHO
Chances are 99.9% of us will never need a weapon in a life threatening situation but since I've been that .01% and history tends to repeat itself then I'll keep my Glock under my arm.
WRS said
08:43 PM Oct 21, 2009
Folks, As I was reading through this topic it became apparent that there are many views on this subject and some very strong opinions. Did you see how many people have read this topic??
The thing that I noticed the most was how well it was handled by everyone who replyed. As one member noted this subject is off limits for most forums. I think it is a tribute to Howard and Linda and all the folks who call themselves RV-Dreamers. I too am an RV-Dreamer and am proud to be in the mist of people who can discuss such a topic of beliefs without the ususal trash talk that comes with it. It is why this is the best forum on the net in my opinion.
As for the topic it has changed my thoughts about the subject and will give me something to think about before pulling out as a full timer.
May you all have safe travels, As always thanks to Howard and Linda. Billy
Janeen said
05:00 AM Oct 22, 2009
Well said Billy. This is one of three groups (that I know of anyway) where ideas can be shared and the people as well as their varying opinions are respected. Kudo's to Howard and Linda for setting the tone, it's an amazing feat. Well done!
Speedhitch said
06:47 AM Oct 22, 2009
You know I have put the list below on this same thread many times and I guess I will put it on there again. You have to understand that the man that did this did not own a gun nor did he own a dog much less several dogs. He conveyed in his note left on the door that he did. Now this is the point I am trying to make. If you let people know that you have the means to protect yourself they might pick a target less likely to fight back. If I was a thief or a killer of sorts an RV Park would be the less likely target for me to go after...why?? On the average there are more gun owners in RV parks than not. Go figure...there are more vigilant people in an RV park than in a neighbor hood of city dwellers. For the most part we should all be safer in the RV park than in the driveway of our stix and brix. Being vigilant and showing it, either in a note from Cooter or a sign that says beware of dog...tells those wanting to do harm to you or your property to go somewhere else. You make the call.
1. Go to a second-hand store and buy a pair of men's used size 14-16 work boots.
2. Place them on your front porch, along with a copy of Guns
and Ammo Magazine.
3. Put a few giant dog dishes next to the boots and magazines.
4. Leave a note on your door that reads:
Hey Bubba, Me, Big Jim, Duke and Slim went for more ammunition.
Back in an hour. Don't mess with the pit bulls - they attacked
the camp host this morning and messed him up real bad. I don't
think Killer took part in it but it was hard to tell from all
the blood. Anyway, I locked two of 'em in the RV and the other two in the bay.
Better wait outside.
"Cooter"
This could be the answer you are all looking for...would you break in???
Speedy
DagoRanch said
01:09 PM Oct 22, 2009
Janeen wrote:
She thanked me for not killing her son. That hit home real hard, he was somebodys son, brother, nephew. If you decide to carry be prepared for the fallout. If you can't handle it, take Speedy's and other advise and get a dog, mace, bear spray etc. it's life and death. Some folks think it's sexy, cool, hip, it's not, it's serious business. Like I said, life and death.
I think that's a great point that can't be emphasized enough!
You know, I served for 13 years in the military, have been trained on everything from .45's to M-50's. Despite my training and familiarity with weapons, I choose not to carry. Why? For the very reason that Janeen shared with us. It IS that serious, and the consequences will 9 times out of 10 be permanent.
At the same time, I also believe in the right for people to own guns.
I'm of the belief that gun-control has no direct effect on gun-crime. Criminals don't go to the store and buy guns and have them licensed. ....Unless they're really stupid :)
Parrothead said
01:18 AM Oct 23, 2009
There is a good book on the laws for guns in all 50 states and also a couple of good websites such as the NRA. If you do decide to carry get a concealed carry permit in your home state ( Texas has a great course) and find out what states offer reciprocity. Most law enforcement will not bother you if away frome your home base. Maybe consider a 410/22 survival type gun that can be packed when boating or hiking.
Kerri said
12:08 AM Nov 28, 2009
Everyone who posted here made some excellent points. And as many have said, this choice all boils down to what is right for each of us.
My Daddy (a former sharp-shooter in the US Army) taught me a long time ago that EVERY gun is loaded, even if it's empty. Respect for what they can do must be taught early and taught well.
I would not want to take another person's life, but I will NOT hesitate to protect my family. My property I will give up without a struggle. But for my family, I will kill (or die). I agree that this is definitely a life-and-death issue, but by their choices - whether they are on drugs or drunk or just mean - the criminals are choosing to take the risk and live with - or die by - the consequences.
I had a drug addict come to my door one night in our old sticks-and-bricks, in the little Mayberry-ish town where I grew up. I was alone with my 4-month-old baby girl that night. This guy was determined to get in my house - he was trying to kick the back door in - until he heard the unmistakable "chick-chick" of my double barrel pump action 12-gauge. I opened a side window on the recessed porch just a crack, so he would have no doubt as to what was about to happen. He decided it was in his best interest to vacate the premises immediately...... The police (yes I had dialed 911) caught him about a mile down the road (he was on foot) when they got another call that he was trying to break into someone else's house. He had outstanding warrants for several things, including rape and drug charges. Turned out he was an acquaintance-of-an-acquaintance of my husband, knew I had a newborn and that I was alone. Guess he thought I would be an easy mark. He thought wrong.
I had taken all the precautions. I had outside lights - including motion sensors - dead bolts and security locks on all windows, and two very loud Pekingese in the house who were barking like crazy until I told them to stop. They did indeed alert me to the fact that someone was around (and I plan to FT with our dog). I also had close neighbors, but none of that deterred him. He was intent on getting in and would have before the police arrived had he not heard that unmistakable "click" and made the right choice..... So I do know how I would handle a bad situation, and I do believe that the gun was what stopped him. I also believe that if he had made the wrong choice and gotten through my door and into my home, they would have picked him up in a body bag.
Law enforcement is there to protect us and I have the highest respect for most of them, because they put their lives on the line every day. But having several officers as personal friends - and while working with many of them for several years through a Domestic Violence shelter - I've heard it said repeatedly - they cannot be everywhere and their response time is sometimes not fast enough to deter the bad guys.
We each have to take responsibility for our own welfare in whatever way we are most comfortable. I totally respect anyone's decision to not own or carry a gun. They have the right to make that choice. But I will always stand up for the right to own and carry mine.
TxYellowRose said
12:54 PM Nov 28, 2009
Thanks to Howard and Linda for allowing such honest discussion about not only this issue, but so many others. I am still so pleased and amazed at such a group of folks who are friendly, sharing of their experiences, knowledge and feelings, and who sincerely want to help each other.
As to the gun issue...in my 20s I and a single mom next door were both harrassed while to the point of being scared in our own homes. Cops couldn't/wouldn't do anything basically until it escalated...what, when I'd been assaulted then you'll look into it? Years later, again living alone, my home was burglarized while I was away, thankfully, but I spent many nights wondering if they would come back to get more stuff and I would be there.
Fast forward...marriage then again on my own, I bought a handgun, took instruction, and practiced, practiced. I still have it and one of the things on my to do list before hitting the road full-timing is get my CHL.
My DH is from Scotland and has never fired a gun; the public just does not generally weapons. I grew up with guns in the house.
I hope and pray I never have to use it; however, yes, if need be (and I'm not talking about stealing my stuff), I will. Period.
-- Edited by TxYellowRose on Saturday 28th of November 2009 12:56:43 PM
dream reachers said
01:16 AM Dec 6, 2009
I brought this subject up again after reading Nicks' Blog from the Gypsy Journal. He had a armed intruder in his motorhome last night, had a scuffle with the man who got away, fortunatly he and Terry are OK. He could have shot the man but decided not to, the man started to come back but saw Nick with his gun and decided to flee the scene. The police arrived later but have so-far not caught the intruder. This still leaves pros and cons to having a gun.
Howard said
06:02 AM Dec 6, 2009
I figured this topic would arise again with what happened to Nick & Terry. See "A Violent Encounter" on Nick's blog.
I just wanted to mention that the "armed" intruder was armed with Nick's gun from inside their rig. In the "gun vs. no gun" debate, which I'm proud to say has been conducted here on this Forum with more civility and logic than anywhere else I've seen, that is an important distinction. I'm not making a judgment on the gun issue either way, I just want to make sure that pertinent fact is known to those that may not have read about it.
And, as "dream reachers" said at the end of their post, the event as it unfolded still leaves pros and cons to having a gun.
And I think Nick's follow-up "The Day After" also provides some additional perspective to the debate no matter which side you fall on.
We join all of those - many who are RV-Dreamers - that have shown their support for Nick & Terry.
Luvglass said
07:06 AM Dec 6, 2009
To all of you who are now worried that the RV lifestyle is TOO dangerous because of this terrible instance of personal danger and violation, Id like remind you that random acts like these happen everywhere, all the time. Last night in your town or city, I guarantee cars were broken into, houses burglarized and people mugged also.
Unless you choose to lock yourself up in a virtual fortress for the rest of your life, no particular place or structure is any safer than the other. Our chances of this kind of experience are always random luck.
That said, face life and enjoy the remaining time you have. There are no do overs. It's a wonderful life out here.
Ranger375 said
07:20 AM Dec 6, 2009
To have a gun or not is not only a personal decision but if the choice is to have one then incumbent on the owner to get as much training and education as possible.
The responsibilities that are instantly taken on when the weapon is drawn are enormous and are to never be taken lightly or from a perspective of being uninformed.
I really don't want to address the exact question posed here due to the personal nature of the decision but would like to offer what I posted elsewhere regarding Nick's event....
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I would not second guess your actions. Perhaps there is something you would do different next time but that is part of learning.
I hear all the time during self defense classes what people say they would do in this type of situation but most don't understand how FAST and UP CLOSE the majority of these things happen.
Until it happens to them they really don't understand why the instructors tell you to train, train, train for an immediate threat situation. There is usually no time to think and when it happens your body pretty much deserts you with the fight or flight reaction. It is automatic reaction and muscle memory that will give you any advantage you may have.
It is important to remember that in the case of the criminals this isn't their first time and they are already anticipating being confronted -- the victim is not in that state of mind and may be experiencing it for the first time.
Situational awareness is the key. To keep awareness of your surroundings, to listen to that small voice, or that "hair on the back of the neck" thing and ACTIVELY notice small changes in your environment. If something doesn't look or feel right it probably isn't.
The problem is most of us tell ourselves that it is nothing -- we like comfort and most don't want conflict -- unfortunately "wishing it away or ignoring currently reality" doesn't change reality.
The real problem is that crime is not isolated to just some places. It happens in areas of perceived safety, in parking lots, on the interstate and in the small towns and neighborhoods where you see people on the news say "We have never had anything like this happen before, we never thought it would happen here." Criminals understand the element of surprise and apathy -- they understand that the best odds are in areas where people don't expect them to be.
It is not paranoia, it is just keeping your eyes and ears open and listening to the instincts that we were given to notice subtle differences in our environment.
I for one really appreciate you posting your experience -- it is a welcomed wake up call to the unfortunate times we live in.
However, with a little attention and listening we can remain safe, even through events like this.
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Ken
-- Edited by Ranger375 on Sunday 6th of December 2009 07:21:17 AM
-- Edited by Ranger375 on Sunday 6th of December 2009 07:21:54 AM
Racerguy said
10:46 AM Dec 6, 2009
I think Fred and Ken summed it up perfectly. You can be cautious without being paralyzed by fear.
Tim & Robyn said
10:50 AM Dec 6, 2009
I read Nick's blog entry, and was very glad that nobody was physically hurt. This whole discussion has been very civil, and even more than that - very thoughtful, and respectful. That tells me there are good people left in the world after all, and it's sometimes hard to remember that when you're in the rat-race where is sometimes seems to be dog-eat-dog . But on this forum, it really doesn't surprise me.... seems like only the best of the best are here.
When I read other blogs, forums, etc. when people begin to rant and rave, I just tune out, because emotion has taken control over reason.... not to suggest that emotion is always out of place... I would be very emotional if I had been victimized.
I don't have any opinions on this question either way. As many have said, the answer is really what each of us is comfortable living with. I have no experience or training with firearms, so I would not want to have one until I had that.
Life is difficult. It is fraught with danger... always has been and probably always will be until that final judgement day gets here. As Fred implied, there are no absolutes as far as safety is concerned. What happened to Nick could have happened in a stix-n-brix, to any one of us. It happens every day, as we all well know.
It also could have been much worse. I think we have all heard about home invasions, where the perpetrators KNEW that people were at home.... seems they were just bent on committing mayhem. How do you protect yourself from that? If you've been targeted, the perpetrators know when they are coming.... you don't.
I don't know what the answer is. I believe evil is real. (personal opinion ON) : Many people have succesfully defended themselves by having a firearm available; many have lost their lives for the same reason. (personal opinion OFF)
If all our debates, both inside and outside government, could be this civil and thoughtful, I think we would all be better off, and maybe we would have some solutions to the problems that now confront us.
Ranger375 said
11:01 AM Dec 6, 2009
Tim & Robyn wrote:If all our debates, both inside and outside government, could be this civil and thoughtful, I think we would all be better off, and maybe we would have some solutions to the problems that now confront us.
Amen to this statement!
Ken
Kerri said
11:33 AM Dec 6, 2009
Everyone has made some excellent points in this discussion and the level of civility and knowledge is unsurpassed on any other forum which I've seen.
I am so very sorry to learn of your friends' misfortune. Howard, thank you for the link to his blog - I am sure I am not alone in appreciating your thoughtfulness.
To Nick, I would say that he did what he thought was best under the circumstances. It is so very true that we cannot know how we will react until confronted with danger, and in retrospect there is usually always something we would change. I agree that he did the right thing by letting the criminal go, although I feel sure that had he made the mistake of moving toward his wife, the outcome would have been significantly different.
As I've said before, I truly believe that the issue of whether to carry weapons is and should always be a personal choice. We just need to make sure that the CHOICE remains available. And as has already been so well said, we must not live our lives in fear, but with joy and a sense of adventure while taking all reasonable precautions to protect ourselves and those we love. Knowing that there are people "out there" like the members of this forum helps to maintain my faith in humanity.
Footsiebear said
09:40 AM Dec 11, 2009
When we decided to full time it, my only thought was that we'd probably have to get rid of the gun cabinet because I didn't think it would fit in a 5th wheel. As it turned out, because we only have one recliner instead of two, the cabinet does fit perfectly.
-- Edited by Footsiebear on Friday 11th of December 2009 09:43:32 AM
Delaine and Lindy said
01:50 PM Dec 11, 2009
My only comment is its a personal choice some will have a C/C some want. I do have a C/C and its not only for RVing. Do to all the Thiefs in our Country I can't leave Weapons in our stick house. So my Choice is to take our Weapons when we are Traveling. I'm a Veteran also, and spent 26 years on active duty, and as most Veterans know we are trained on many different weapons. I never owned a Hand Gun while on active duty. But after I retired and seen all the home invasions and killings etc. and we have LEO in our family and we know that the police can't protect everyone. We only stay in RV parks and feel that we are secure, now if we were boondocking I wouldn't feel secure do to the location. With what is happen in our Country now I think everyone should have some type of training on some use of weapons and safety for your protection. We have weapons and they have been fired for training only, but aren't registered and want be. This is my Choice. GBY....
Hamshog said
08:04 PM Dec 16, 2009
Hey All,
Some think their lives are worth protecting and some people will leave their lives to chance. I hope that people really don't believe that by calling 911 is going to help save your life. (911 = Dial a prayer...)
Law Enforcement Officers are a great bunch of people and are well respected by me for what they do, but they cannot protect me from a criminal that is here with me now!! (Remember, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away...)
It is a personnal choice to own a gun, and I would like to keep it that way. Whichever way you choose, I wish everyone a safe life and travels. (I carry a gun because cops are too heavy...)
Regards, Howard
tcox4freedom said
01:48 PM Apr 1, 2011
Froggi wrote:
As a solo I do carry my handgun (with permit) and also a small shotgun (which my son bought me after my husband passed). I hope I never had to even THINK about using them. Here is an article on my web site that I think might help you.
My wife and I both are CC'ers and help with NRA sponsored & approved classes. It is good to know that you can carry a shotgun into Canada. (JIC we ever RV there)
I would like to know what other legal concerns their may be in having a handgun in your RV in a state that is not have a recipiocity agreement with your home state.
Specifically, would keeping your PCW "locked" away in a gun safe in your bedroom protect you from most legal concerns?
Terry and Jo said
06:54 PM Apr 1, 2011
I would not put too much faith in a nearly 2-year-old post. Before traveling to Canada, be sure and verify that a shotgun can be taken into each province you would visit. Keep in mind that legislative bodies are ALWAYS passing laws.
Since you know about NRA and participate, you probably know about this resource, but I'll include it for anyone else that happens to read this newly revived thread. It is a link to information about weapons laws by states:
Jo and I, as well as others, have purchased a Taurus Judge. That is a revolver capable of firing .45 cal Long Colt ammunition OR .410 guage shotgun ammunition. With a Judge loaded wiith shotgun ammo, there will be less of an issue with a projectile travelin through more than one wall of an RV.
Terry
tcox4freedom said
05:35 PM Apr 2, 2011
Good tip on the Judge Terry.
My wife and I currently carry 24/7 compacts. But, we have been considering a "Judge" as a HD weapon. I've been a member on www.TaurusArmed.net forum for awhile and have been doing some research.
Our current plans do NOT include Canada or Alaska. But, if we get out there and meet some people to travel with our plans could change.
Thanks Again
-- Edited by tcox4freedom on Saturday 2nd of April 2011 05:36:05 PM
Waggin Tails said
06:44 PM Apr 24, 2011
We once lived in a house where the all five houses around ours had been burglarized during a shot period. One house was hit twice. I happen to be pulling into my driveway while the police were investigating the most recent break in. One of the investigators asked if we had noticed anything missing from our property. The answer was no, nothing had ever been taken. About that time, our dogs started barking inside the house. The investigator then said that hour dogs kept our house safe. While our standard size poodle is a wussy wimp, her bark should provide sufficient deterrent. PS. If we happen to be parked next to you some day, and our poodle is annoying, she is keeping our place safe.
The Crumps said
08:54 AM Apr 25, 2011
We also did research on carrying a gun and decided with all the different state's regulations and military base restrictions we opted for a taser. We have two extra cartridges and took the training. We can go anywhere with a taser. We were pleased to find out that if we use a cartridge for protecting ourselves the company will replace the cartridge at no charge if we produce a police report. We are hoping to never have to deal with this but it gives us a feeling of safety.
My parents FT'd for many years. My dad found a cap gun that popped as loud as a real gun. They were parked in a Safeway parking lot one night and heard someone trying to get in. My dad popped that cap gun and they laughed as they saw the criminals running away for their lives!
djpotts55 said
09:26 AM May 28, 2011
RVs are considered homes and I have always had several guns in the home; that includes both RV as well as stick-n-bricks. You are ultimately responsible for your own protection. I am a retired law enforcement officer and with long response times in rural areas and many cities having only one cop per 1,000's of residents, I always error on the side of safety for me and my family. Alarms, golf clubs, baseball bats, and pepper spray are better than nothing, but when confronted by a "career" criminal, these things are not going to be much of a deterrent and they are not going to save you. If you use simple common sense, you should not be afraid of owning and using a firearm for self defense.
One note for travelers to Canada, you can not take pistols (hand guns) into Canada, but you can take Rifles and Shotguns if registered at the border on entry. Download the forms online, fill them out, and have them ready ahead of time to make entry into Cananda with firearms very easy.
I see several posters here are against possessing firearms in the RV, and that is their perrogative. I strongly disagree with this "stick your head in the sand" philosophy for self defense. Only you can decide what is good for your family and I hope you make the best decision based on your situation.
-- Edited by djpotts55 on Saturday 28th of May 2011 09:30:27 AM
NorCal Dan said
09:36 AM May 28, 2011
Note that the Taurus Judge is an illegal weapon in California, I don't know about other states...
azrving said
03:09 PM May 28, 2011
djpotts55 wrote:
RVs are considered homes and I have always had several guns in the home; that includes both RV as well as stick-n-bricks. You are ultimately responsible for your own protection. I am a retired law enforcement officer and with long response times in rural areas and many cities having only one cop per 1,000's of residents, I always error on the side of safety for me and my family. Alarms, golf clubs, baseball bats, and pepper spray are better than nothing, but when confronted by a "career" criminal, these things are not going to be much of a deterrent and they are not going to save you. If you use simple common sense, you should not be afraid of owning and using a firearm for self defense.
One note for travelers to Canada, you can not take pistols (hand guns) into Canada, but you can take Rifles and Shotguns if registered at the border on entry. Download the forms online, fill them out, and have them ready ahead of time to make entry into Cananda with firearms very easy.
I see several posters here are against possessing firearms in the RV, and that is their perrogative. I strongly disagree with this "stick your head in the sand" philosophy for self defense. Only you can decide what is good for your family and I hope you make the best decision based on your situation.
Totally agree with this post! We are not fulltime yet but I can assure you we will be carrying when we do. We always carry a gun when we travel by car or rv. I'll worry about the local/state laws when the time comes, my first priority is taking care of my family and I will not allow the state or local laws to prevent me from protecting the ones I love. I hope I never need to use it but it sure helps me sleep better knowing it's close by. JMO!
Ruck said
06:02 PM May 28, 2011
Might I chime in? 20 year Army Retired, Airborne Infantry, Seven years Federal Security Officer, now retired and will be fulltiming SOON!
Cops carry guns to protect themselves, not to protect you.
'The average response time of a 911 call is over 23 minutes… the response time of a .44 magnum is 1400 feet per second.'
"Do something. It may be wrong, but do something."
"You cannot save the planet, but you may be able to save yourself and your family."
If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away
'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton
"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson. Despite all this, I will probably not carry, there are other ways, as mentioned, pepper spray, dog, lighs, horns etc...
RVRon said
06:01 AM May 29, 2011
This thread reminds me of a good joke I read the other day:
A policeman pulled over a pickup truck owner for a faulty tail light. When the officer approached the driver, the man behind the wheel handed the officer his driver's license, insurance card, and a concealed-weapon carry permit.
The officer took all the documents, looked them over and said, "Mr. Smith, I see you have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. Do you have any weapons with you?"
The driver replied, "Yes sir, I have a .357 handgun in a hip holster, a .45 in the glove box, and a .22 derringer in my boot."
The officer looked at the driver and asked, "Anything else?"
"Yes sir, I have a Mossberg 500 12-gauge and an AR-15 behind the seat."
The officer asked if the man was driving to or from a shooting range and the man said he wasn't, so the officer bent over and looked into the driver's face and said, "Mr. Smith, you're carrying quite a few guns. May I ask what you are afraid of?"
Mr. Smith locked eyes with the officer and calmly answered, "Not a damn thing!"
-- Edited by RVRon on Sunday 29th of May 2011 06:01:37 AM
Ruck said
06:32 AM May 29, 2011
RVRon ; I like :)!!
motorcycle jack said
10:10 AM May 30, 2011
We too went with a Taser, no possibility of an accidental killing and so much easier to explain to police when you hand over the perp. After 30 years in the Army I see no need for a gun in civilian life, they're just not that dangerous just stupid.
Jake62 said
06:23 PM May 30, 2011
There's not a quick or simple answer; however, I will carry my weapons and have been properly trained not only in how to operate a weapon safely, but more importantly, when to use it in a "deadly force" situations.
jagco said
06:31 AM May 31, 2011
Jake62 wrote:
There's not a quick or simple answer; however, I will carry my weapons and have been properly trained not only in how to operate a weapon safely, but more importantly, when to use it in a "deadly force" situations.
Ditto........
rclvnv said
07:27 PM Jun 10, 2011
No need for me to revisit any of the opinions expressed here, as all are valid. A very personal decision. After having had guns all of our married lives, we decided that we didn't want to bring them with us, for all the reasons against, expressed here. However,we decided we needed to have protection of some sort,(other than 2 Schnauzers) So I bought two Kimber Arms Pepper Blaster guns. In bright red,so as not to be mistaken for handguns. This fires an encapsulated spray @90 mph, to a distance of 13 ft. Each gun has two shots. For us, a reasonable compromise.
Richard
pitbull said
02:49 PM Aug 14, 2011
We are in Canada but travel in the USA alot. Our gun laws are strict and yours are not the same state to state. A freind of ours who full timed from 1985 to 1995 recommended a boat flare gun. It is not considered a weapon and if asked he uses it for saftey when he is on the water. ( he had a inflateable dingy ) It gave them peace of mind but in the 10 years of he FT he never needed it. As others have said, just be aware of where you stop and if the back of the hair on your neck stands up----------------------Listen to it
Pitbull
Alie and Jims Carrilite said
07:24 PM Sep 3, 2011
Long story short, Sallie the lab will bark, Cujo the shepard, on the other hand, will taste instead.
I believe in defending onself. Been there done that in 2 known wars, and several other unmentioned places. I'm not parnoid, but I will be dammed if I fought to protect this great country, only to be invaded in my own domicle.
If one decides their life is in peril and does pull the trigger, please shoot to kill. Mutiple shots, center mass. There is nothing worse than a trial with a crippled defendant, shot by a homeowner defending themselves. "I was only looking for a TV or stereo" and he shot me without warning....
My .02
LibertyLinda said
11:52 AM Sep 4, 2011
We are believers in protecting ourselves, I think a few posters here said about the same thing: the police investigate crimes, they can't protect you- that is just reality. Having said that, responsible gun owning is following existing laws, taking appropriate classes & learning the weapon that is right for you. And thanks Jims carrilite and all our other RV Vets for defending our USA to protect our right to carry - or not carry - it your freedom of choice.
rvingft said
10:22 AM Sep 5, 2011
I like your comment sir, and I appreciate your military service. We know many soldiers who had the training and feel the same way. Unfortunately civilians haven't had the training, so see the gun issue from a completely different prespective.
I was raised in Miami, FL and the only time I saw/heard about gun use, someone had been killed. So naturally, my theory was NO GUNS-ever!
But, when I met my husband who had served with the Marines and grew up hunting in Minnesota I started to change my mind. Then when we moved to a wonderful Army town, Sierra Vista, AZ - only 20 miles from the border and I opened my mind even more. It was then I realized how quickly a situation can turn deadly - triggered by an idiot with a gun (and I don't mean the sleeping Americans).
Together we took the CCW course taught by a world recognized veteran who shall remain nameless and I learned that yes, IF you carry you need to be willng to kill if necessary. Terry is-aways was- me .... not so sure. But at least I do know the legal ramifications of carrying.
We now travel full-time and do carry his SW. I do not carry - only because I haven't decided if I could kill. I know Terry will do whatever it takes to protect us and ours. We will have to make arrangements if/when we go outside the country.
My final thoughts ... IF you are willing to kill (usually a druggie or thief) to protect yourself and your family, take a class FIRST. Get educated about the legalities and how to handle a weapon. THEN make your decision as to carry or not.
As you said, guns do not kill people, PEOPLE kill people .... and it is still an American right to bear arms. That right was hard-earned and there are still millions of Americans who will defend US ..... thank you, sir.
Delaine and Lindy said
06:13 PM Sep 7, 2011
We have the Judge and its traveled in almost all of the Lower 48. And it will be a constant companion. The next International Suites rally will be in Canada next June. We will not carry the Judge there, it will be left at the border.. We will be looking into some other type of protection, in this day and time its not safe to not have some type of protection. Think about what happen in Carson City Nevada. Someone should have took this slime ball out. In the next few years things will turn bad. Hope your portecting your loved ones. I had rather 12 people judge me than 6 men carry me.. Its a choice.....
Terry said
11:03 PM Sep 8, 2011
I agree with Fulltimerrver. But, I am also a Canadian. In rural Saskatchewan long guns and shotguns are commonly used for hunting or vermin control. Hand guns are usually NEVER owned by a Canadian as there are not for hunting. But, on the issue of travel in the USA, we half time in the USA for the last 3 years and have never had the need of owning a gun. We have felt very safe in campgrounds in the USA and have never experienced any problems. We do NOT carry a firearm in the USA.
crafter32034 said
02:22 AM Oct 6, 2011
Wow. This is an old thread.
As a certified (or certifiable) gun nut, I always carry where it is legal. My Florida concealed weapon and firearm license is valid in 39 states as of this writing.
Shooting sports such as skeet/trap, IDPA and other practical shooting competitions are my main recreation.
Owning firearms is a right and, more importantly, a responsibility. I always urge training and practice. If you are not willing to devote the time and effort to gain proficiency, then stick to Mace or some other non lethal alternative.
My observation is that things are changing in the country, and not for the better. We find that RV folk are as honest, helpful and friendly as ever, but there seem to be more mutts out there who are trolling for victims. I believe it is my responsibility to protect my family in all situations.
HomeSweetRV said
04:54 PM Oct 10, 2011
I would like to have a recording of that sound.....
I chambered a round in my 9mm and I heard him run back down the hall
he heard the unmistakable "chick-chick" of my double barrel pump action 12-gauge.
to go with this:
1. Go to a second-hand store and buy a pair of men's used size 14-16 work boots.
2. Place them on your front porch, along with a copy of Guns and Ammo Magazine.
3. Put a few giant dog dishes next to the boots and magazines.
4. Leave a note on your door that reads:
Hey Bubba, Me, Big Jim, Duke and Slim went for more ammunition. Back in an hour. Don't mess with the pit bulls - they attacked the camp host this morning and messed him up real bad. I don't think Killer took part in it but it was hard to tell from all the blood. Anyway, I locked all four of 'em in the RV. Better wait outside.
"Cooter"
and I would feel safer, even without a gun if this sound will scare off criminals.
HomeSweetRV said
04:59 PM Oct 10, 2011
motorcycle jack wrote:
We too went with a Taser, no possibility of an accidental killing and so much easier to explain to police when you hand over the perp. After 30 years in the Army I see no need for a gun in civilian life, they're just not that dangerous just stupid.
Taser guns can kill - yes, there is that possibility, I believe.
RVWannabe said
09:53 PM Nov 3, 2011
Lots of great comments and I won't weigh in on the pros and cons of gun ownership. Just a comment concerning those concerned about handguns and the over penetration of their bullets. There is a type of handgun bullet designed to reduce penetration. It's called the Glaser Safety Slug I believe. There are pros and cons about its effectiveness, but it's worth researching if you decide to keep a handgun for defense but are concerned about over penetration of RV walls.
Frank
charles said
03:58 PM Nov 19, 2011
I have several guns kept in the stick house. In 30 yrs of serious boating, as in traveling a lot including the Great Circle Cruise around eastern US and Canada, that one for 5 seasons, I only carried a shotgun while cruising locally on the Gulf of Mexico coastal ICW. Then for snakes, never had a problem with bad people! Been rv'ing for two yrs and over 25,000 miles and not carried. Since I am a member of NRA I have a sticker on the travel trailer-------let the bad guy decide IF I will use it or even have it with me. Have the sticker on the front door of the stick house------again, the bad guy has the choice.
CCC
Terry and Jo said
05:57 PM Nov 19, 2011
I had an acquaintenance (I won't call him a friend) that had a sign in the window of his house that read, "This house is guarded by a .357 Magnum for 4 days a week. You get to decide what 4 days they are."
Personally, I won't have anything on either my vehicles, my RV, or any sticks and bricks that I reside in that would indicate that there are any weapons on those premises. There is no reason to let the bad guys know that a weapon is present and them decide it would be worth shooting first and then finding my weapons.
If anyone is going to be surprised, it will be the bad guy.
Edit: Haven't found the Australian info, but here's an article on Great Britain:
http://www.nraila.org/issues/articles/read.aspx?id=275&issue=015#
-- Edited by jagco on Tuesday 20th of October 2009 06:16:02 PM
Here is the Australian information ...
Gun Deaths - International Comparisons
Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):
Data taken from Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport.
This chart says it all. This is from a US website. The USA is the only country on this list that allows citizens to carry guns.
There is just no arguing these figures. When you do some research, it is almost always the victims of the crime that are killed when they bring out the guns to defend themselves. The stories are on the internet. It's just like when you were a kid at school. When you tried to fight back you got the #%!t beat out of you. Where as if you did not resist, they may have taken your lunch money once in a while, but after a while they got bored and left you alone.
As I was reading through this topic it became apparent that there are many views on this subject and some very strong opinions. Did you see how many people have read this topic??
The thing that I noticed the most was how well it was handled by everyone who replyed. As one member noted this subject is off limits for most forums. I think it is a tribute to Howard and Linda and all the folks who call themselves RV-Dreamers. I too am an RV-Dreamer and am proud to be in the mist of people who can discuss such a topic of beliefs without the ususal trash talk that comes with it. It is why this is the best forum on the net in my opinion.
As for the topic it has changed my thoughts about the subject and will give me something to think about before pulling out as a full timer.
May you all have safe travels,
As always thanks to Howard and Linda.
Billy
My Daddy (a former sharp-shooter in the US Army) taught me a long time ago that EVERY gun is loaded, even if it's empty. Respect for what they can do must be taught early and taught well.
I would not want to take another person's life, but I will NOT hesitate to protect my family. My property I will give up without a struggle. But for my family, I will kill (or die). I agree that this is definitely a life-and-death issue, but by their choices - whether they are on drugs or drunk or just mean - the criminals are choosing to take the risk and live with - or die by - the consequences.
I had a drug addict come to my door one night in our old sticks-and-bricks, in the little Mayberry-ish town where I grew up. I was alone with my 4-month-old baby girl that night. This guy was determined to get in my house - he was trying to kick the back door in - until he heard the unmistakable "chick-chick" of my double barrel pump action 12-gauge. I opened a side window on the recessed porch just a crack, so he would have no doubt as to what was about to happen. He decided it was in his best interest to vacate the premises immediately...... The police (yes I had dialed 911) caught him about a mile down the road (he was on foot) when they got another call that he was trying to break into someone else's house. He had outstanding warrants for several things, including rape and drug charges. Turned out he was an acquaintance-of-an-acquaintance of my husband, knew I had a newborn and that I was alone. Guess he thought I would be an easy mark. He thought wrong.
I had taken all the precautions. I had outside lights - including motion sensors - dead bolts and security locks on all windows, and two very loud Pekingese in the house who were barking like crazy until I told them to stop. They did indeed alert me to the fact that someone was around (and I plan to FT with our dog). I also had close neighbors, but none of that deterred him. He was intent on getting in and would have before the police arrived had he not heard that unmistakable "click" and made the right choice..... So I do know how I would handle a bad situation, and I do believe that the gun was what stopped him. I also believe that if he had made the wrong choice and gotten through my door and into my home, they would have picked him up in a body bag.
Law enforcement is there to protect us and I have the highest respect for most of them, because they put their lives on the line every day. But having several officers as personal friends - and while working with many of them for several years through a Domestic Violence shelter - I've heard it said repeatedly - they cannot be everywhere and their response time is sometimes not fast enough to deter the bad guys.
We each have to take responsibility for our own welfare in whatever way we are most comfortable. I totally respect anyone's decision to not own or carry a gun. They have the right to make that choice. But I will always stand up for the right to own and carry mine.
As to the gun issue...in my 20s I and a single mom next door were both harrassed while to the point of being scared in our own homes. Cops couldn't/wouldn't do anything basically until it escalated...what, when I'd been assaulted then you'll look into it? Years later, again living alone, my home was burglarized while I was away, thankfully, but I spent many nights wondering if they would come back to get more stuff and I would be there.
Fast forward...marriage then again on my own, I bought a handgun, took instruction, and practiced, practiced. I still have it and one of the things on my to do list before hitting the road full-timing is get my CHL.
My DH is from Scotland and has never fired a gun; the public just does not generally weapons. I grew up with guns in the house.
I hope and pray I never have to use it; however, yes, if need be (and I'm not talking about stealing my stuff), I will. Period.
-- Edited by TxYellowRose on Saturday 28th of November 2009 12:56:43 PM
I figured this topic would arise again with what happened to Nick & Terry. See "A Violent Encounter" on Nick's blog.
I just wanted to mention that the "armed" intruder was armed with Nick's gun from inside their rig. In the "gun vs. no gun" debate, which I'm proud to say has been conducted here on this Forum with more civility and logic than anywhere else I've seen, that is an important distinction. I'm not making a judgment on the gun issue either way, I just want to make sure that pertinent fact is known to those that may not have read about it.
And, as "dream reachers" said at the end of their post, the event as it unfolded still leaves pros and cons to having a gun.
And I think Nick's follow-up "The Day After" also provides some additional perspective to the debate no matter which side you fall on.
We join all of those - many who are RV-Dreamers - that have shown their support for Nick & Terry.
The responsibilities that are instantly taken on when the weapon is drawn are enormous and are to never be taken lightly or from a perspective of being uninformed.
I really don't want to address the exact question posed here due to the personal nature of the decision but would like to offer what I posted elsewhere regarding Nick's event....
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I would not second guess your actions. Perhaps there is something you would do different next time but that is part of learning.
I hear all the time during self defense classes what people say they would do in this type of situation but most don't understand how FAST and UP CLOSE the majority of these things happen.
Until it happens to them they really don't understand why the instructors tell you to train, train, train for an immediate threat situation. There is usually no time to think and when it happens your body pretty much deserts you with the fight or flight reaction. It is automatic reaction and muscle memory that will give you any advantage you may have.
It is important to remember that in the case of the criminals this isn't their first time and they are already anticipating being confronted -- the victim is not in that state of mind and may be experiencing it for the first time.
Situational awareness is the key. To keep awareness of your surroundings, to listen to that small voice, or that "hair on the back of the neck" thing and ACTIVELY notice small changes in your environment. If something doesn't look or feel right it probably isn't.
The problem is most of us tell ourselves that it is nothing -- we like comfort and most don't want conflict -- unfortunately "wishing it away or ignoring currently reality" doesn't change reality.
The real problem is that crime is not isolated to just some places. It happens in areas of perceived safety, in parking lots, on the interstate and in the small towns and neighborhoods where you see people on the news say "We have never had anything like this happen before, we never thought it would happen here." Criminals understand the element of surprise and apathy -- they understand that the best odds are in areas where people don't expect them to be.
It is not paranoia, it is just keeping your eyes and ears open and listening to the instincts that we were given to notice subtle differences in our environment.
I for one really appreciate you posting your experience -- it is a welcomed wake up call to the unfortunate times we live in.
However, with a little attention and listening we can remain safe, even through events like this.
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Ken
-- Edited by Ranger375 on Sunday 6th of December 2009 07:21:17 AM
-- Edited by Ranger375 on Sunday 6th of December 2009 07:21:54 AM
When I read other blogs, forums, etc. when people begin to rant and rave, I just tune out, because emotion has taken control over reason.... not to suggest that emotion is always out of place... I would be very emotional if I had been victimized.
I don't have any opinions on this question either way. As many have said, the answer is really what each of us is comfortable living with. I have no experience or training with firearms, so I would not want to have one until I had that.
Life is difficult. It is fraught with danger... always has been and probably always will be until that final judgement day gets here. As Fred implied, there are no absolutes as far as safety is concerned. What happened to Nick could have happened in a stix-n-brix, to any one of us. It happens every day, as we all well know.
It also could have been much worse. I think we have all heard about home invasions, where the perpetrators KNEW that people were at home.... seems they were just bent on committing mayhem. How do you protect yourself from that? If you've been targeted, the perpetrators know when they are coming.... you don't.
I don't know what the answer is. I believe evil is real. (personal opinion ON) : Many people have succesfully defended themselves by having a firearm available; many have lost their lives for the same reason. (personal opinion OFF)
If all our debates, both inside and outside government, could be this civil and thoughtful, I think we would all be better off, and maybe we would have some solutions to the problems that now confront us.
Amen to this statement!
Ken
I am so very sorry to learn of your friends' misfortune. Howard, thank you for the link to his blog - I am sure I am not alone in appreciating your thoughtfulness.
To Nick, I would say that he did what he thought was best under the circumstances. It is so very true that we cannot know how we will react until confronted with danger, and in retrospect there is usually always something we would change. I agree that he did the right thing by letting the criminal go, although I feel sure that had he made the mistake of moving toward his wife, the outcome would have been significantly different.
As I've said before, I truly believe that the issue of whether to carry weapons is and should always be a personal choice. We just need to make sure that the CHOICE remains available. And as has already been so well said, we must not live our lives in fear, but with joy and a sense of adventure while taking all reasonable precautions to protect ourselves and those we love. Knowing that there are people "out there" like the members of this forum helps to maintain my faith in humanity.
When we decided to full time it, my only thought was that we'd probably have to get rid of the gun cabinet because I didn't think it would fit in a 5th wheel. As it turned out, because we only have one recliner instead of two, the cabinet does fit perfectly.
-- Edited by Footsiebear on Friday 11th of December 2009 09:43:32 AM
Very good article Froggi.
My wife and I both are CC'ers and help with NRA sponsored & approved classes. It is good to know that you can carry a shotgun into Canada. (JIC we ever RV there)
I would like to know what other legal concerns their may be in having a handgun in your RV in a state that is not have a recipiocity agreement with your home state.
Specifically, would keeping your PCW "locked" away in a gun safe in your bedroom protect you from most legal concerns?
I would not put too much faith in a nearly 2-year-old post. Before traveling to Canada, be sure and verify that a shotgun can be taken into each province you would visit. Keep in mind that legislative bodies are ALWAYS passing laws.
Since you know about NRA and participate, you probably know about this resource, but I'll include it for anyone else that happens to read this newly revived thread. It is a link to information about weapons laws by states:
http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/
Jo and I, as well as others, have purchased a Taurus Judge. That is a revolver capable of firing .45 cal Long Colt ammunition OR .410 guage shotgun ammunition. With a Judge loaded wiith shotgun ammo, there will be less of an issue with a projectile travelin through more than one wall of an RV.
Terry
Good tip on the Judge Terry.
My wife and I currently carry 24/7 compacts. But, we have been considering a "Judge" as a HD weapon. I've been a member on www.TaurusArmed.net forum for awhile and have been doing some research.
Our current plans do NOT include Canada or Alaska. But, if we get out there and meet some people to travel with our plans could change.
Thanks Again
-- Edited by tcox4freedom on Saturday 2nd of April 2011 05:36:05 PM
While our standard size poodle is a wussy wimp, her bark should provide sufficient deterrent.
PS. If we happen to be parked next to you some day, and our poodle is annoying, she is keeping our place safe.
We also did research on carrying a gun and decided with all the different state's regulations and military base restrictions we opted for a taser. We have two extra cartridges and took the training. We can go anywhere with a taser. We were pleased to find out that if we use a cartridge for protecting ourselves the company will replace the cartridge at no charge if we produce a police report. We are hoping to never have to deal with this but it gives us a feeling of safety.
My parents FT'd for many years. My dad found a cap gun that popped as loud as a real gun. They were parked in a Safeway parking lot one night and heard someone trying to get in. My dad popped that cap gun and they laughed as they saw the criminals running away for their lives!
RVs are considered homes and I have always had several guns in the home; that includes both RV as well as stick-n-bricks. You are ultimately responsible for your own protection. I am a retired law enforcement officer and with long response times in rural areas and many cities having only one cop per 1,000's of residents, I always error on the side of safety for me and my family. Alarms, golf clubs, baseball bats, and pepper spray are better than nothing, but when confronted by a "career" criminal, these things are not going to be much of a deterrent and they are not going to save you. If you use simple common sense, you should not be afraid of owning and using a firearm for self defense.
One note for travelers to Canada, you can not take pistols (hand guns) into Canada, but you can take Rifles and Shotguns if registered at the border on entry. Download the forms online, fill them out, and have them ready ahead of time to make entry into Cananda with firearms very easy.
I see several posters here are against possessing firearms in the RV, and that is their perrogative. I strongly disagree with this "stick your head in the sand" philosophy for self defense. Only you can decide what is good for your family and I hope you make the best decision based on your situation.
-- Edited by djpotts55 on Saturday 28th of May 2011 09:30:27 AM
Cops carry guns to protect themselves, not to protect you.
'The average response time of a 911 call is over 23 minutes… the response time of a .44 magnum is 1400 feet per second.'
"Do something. It may be wrong, but do something."
"You cannot save the planet, but you may be able to save yourself and your family."
If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away
'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton
"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.
Despite all this, I will probably not carry, there are other ways, as mentioned, pepper spray, dog, lighs, horns etc...
This thread reminds me of a good joke I read the other day:
A policeman pulled over a pickup truck owner for a faulty tail light. When the officer approached the driver, the man behind the wheel handed the officer his driver's license, insurance card, and a concealed-weapon carry permit.
The officer took all the documents, looked them over and said, "Mr. Smith, I see you have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. Do you have any weapons with you?"
The driver replied, "Yes sir, I have a .357 handgun in a hip holster, a .45 in the glove box, and a .22 derringer in my boot."
The officer looked at the driver and asked, "Anything else?"
"Yes sir, I have a Mossberg 500 12-gauge and an AR-15 behind the seat."
The officer asked if the man was driving to or from a shooting range and the man said he wasn't, so the officer bent over and looked into the driver's face and said, "Mr. Smith, you're carrying quite a few guns. May I ask what you are afraid of?"
Mr. Smith locked eyes with the officer and calmly answered, "Not a damn thing!"
-- Edited by RVRon on Sunday 29th of May 2011 06:01:37 AM
There's not a quick or simple answer; however, I will carry my weapons and have been properly trained not only in how to operate a weapon safely, but more importantly, when to use it in a "deadly force" situations.
Ditto........
No need for me to revisit any of the opinions expressed here, as all are valid. A very personal decision. After having had guns all of our married lives, we decided that we didn't want to bring them with us, for all the reasons against, expressed here. However,we decided we needed to have protection of some sort,(other than 2 Schnauzers) So I bought two Kimber Arms Pepper Blaster guns. In bright red,so as not to be mistaken for handguns. This fires an encapsulated spray @90 mph, to a distance of 13 ft. Each gun has two shots. For us, a reasonable compromise.
Richard
We are in Canada but travel in the USA alot. Our gun laws are strict and yours are not the same state to state. A freind of ours who full timed from 1985 to 1995 recommended a boat flare gun. It is not considered a weapon and if asked he uses it for saftey when he is on the water. ( he had a inflateable dingy ) It gave them peace of mind but in the 10 years of he FT he never needed it. As others have said, just be aware of where you stop and if the back of the hair on your neck stands up----------------------Listen to it
Pitbull
I believe in defending onself. Been there done that in 2 known wars, and several other unmentioned places. I'm not parnoid, but I will be dammed if I fought to protect this great country, only to be invaded in my own domicle.
If one decides their life is in peril and does pull the trigger, please shoot to kill. Mutiple shots, center mass. There is nothing worse than a trial with a crippled defendant, shot by a homeowner defending themselves. "I was only looking for a TV or stereo" and he shot me without warning....
My .02
Having said that, responsible gun owning is following existing laws, taking appropriate classes & learning the weapon that is right for you.
And thanks Jims carrilite and all our other RV Vets for defending our USA to protect our right to carry - or not carry - it your freedom of choice.
I like your comment sir, and I appreciate your military service. We know many soldiers who had the training and feel the same way. Unfortunately civilians haven't had the training, so see the gun issue from a completely different prespective.
I was raised in Miami, FL and the only time I saw/heard about gun use, someone had been killed. So naturally, my theory was NO GUNS-ever!
But, when I met my husband who had served with the Marines and grew up hunting in Minnesota I started to change my mind. Then when we moved to a wonderful Army town, Sierra Vista, AZ - only 20 miles from the border and I opened my mind even more. It was then I realized how quickly a situation can turn deadly - triggered by an idiot with a gun (and I don't mean the sleeping Americans).
Together we took the CCW course taught by a world recognized veteran who shall remain nameless and I learned that yes, IF you carry you need to be willng to kill if necessary. Terry is-aways was- me .... not so sure. But at least I do know the legal ramifications of carrying.
We now travel full-time and do carry his SW. I do not carry - only because I haven't decided if I could kill. I know Terry will do whatever it takes to protect us and ours. We will have to make arrangements if/when we go outside the country.
My final thoughts ... IF you are willing to kill (usually a druggie or thief) to protect yourself and your family, take a class FIRST. Get educated about the legalities and how to handle a weapon. THEN make your decision as to carry or not.
As you said, guns do not kill people, PEOPLE kill people .... and it is still an American right to bear arms. That right was hard-earned and there are still millions of Americans who will defend US ..... thank you, sir.
But, on the issue of travel in the USA, we half time in the USA for the last 3 years and have never had the need of owning a gun. We have felt very safe in campgrounds in the USA and have never experienced any problems.
We do NOT carry a firearm in the USA.
I would like to have a recording of that sound.....
I chambered a round in my 9mm and I heard him run back down the hall
he heard the unmistakable "chick-chick" of my double barrel pump action 12-gauge.
to go with this:
1. Go to a second-hand store and buy a pair of men's used size 14-16 work boots.
2. Place them on your front porch, along with a copy of Guns
and Ammo Magazine.
3. Put a few giant dog dishes next to the boots and magazines.
4. Leave a note on your door that reads:
Hey Bubba, Me, Big Jim, Duke and Slim went for more ammunition.
Back in an hour. Don't mess with the pit bulls - they attacked
the camp host this morning and messed him up real bad. I don't
think Killer took part in it but it was hard to tell from all
the blood. Anyway, I locked all four of 'em in the RV.
Better wait outside.
"Cooter"
and I would feel safer, even without a gun if this sound will scare off criminals.
Taser guns can kill - yes, there is that possibility, I believe.
Frank
In 30 yrs of serious boating, as in traveling a lot including the Great Circle Cruise around eastern US and Canada, that one for 5 seasons, I only carried a shotgun while cruising locally on the Gulf of Mexico coastal ICW. Then for snakes, never had a problem with bad people!
Been rv'ing for two yrs and over 25,000 miles and not carried.
Since I am a member of NRA I have a sticker on the travel trailer-------let the bad guy decide IF I will use it or even have it with me.
Have the sticker on the front door of the stick house------again, the bad guy has the choice.
CCC
I had an acquaintenance (I won't call him a friend) that had a sign in the window of his house that read, "This house is guarded by a .357 Magnum for 4 days a week. You get to decide what 4 days they are."
Personally, I won't have anything on either my vehicles, my RV, or any sticks and bricks that I reside in that would indicate that there are any weapons on those premises. There is no reason to let the bad guys know that a weapon is present and them decide it would be worth shooting first and then finding my weapons.
If anyone is going to be surprised, it will be the bad guy.
Terry